California election becomes IWS contest?

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Because that's the best you're going to get and demanding ideaological purity is what got the California Republican Party in the state it is in today.

Well, the same behavior got the reps. both houses of congress and the white house. Maybe they just need to give it another nice try.

[yavoon]

whatever happened to runoffs? or is the population too apathetic to support going twice?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Because that's the best you're going to get and demanding ideaological purity is what got the California Republican Party in the state it is in today.

So, in other words, it makes perfect sense for conservative California Republicans to vote for a socially liberal actor with no prior political experience who has yet to articulate a plan at all and who has surrounded himself in his campaign with prominent staunch Democrats like Buffett and Lowe?

That's ludicrous. Arnold doesn't stand for the values most Republicans believe in...he's ideologically identical to a lot of Democrats! Where does he differ in belief from Davis, even?

Even Riordan would be a more palatable choice for a conservative. What use is it voting the party line when the Republican in question isn't at all someone who shares your ideals or values?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


So, in other words, it makes perfect sense for conservative California Republicans to vote for a socially liberal actor with no prior political experience who has yet to articulate a plan at all and who has surrounded himself in his campaign with prominent staunch Democrats like Buffett and Lowe?

That's ludicrous. Arnold doesn't stand for the values most Republicans believe in...he's ideologically identical to a lot of Democrats! Where does he differ in belief from Davis, even?

Even Riordan would be a more palatable choice for a conservative. What use is it voting the party line when the Republican in question isn't at all someone who shares your ideals or values?

I smell liberal subterfuge. let the war begin!

[badams52]

Originally posted by GePap
You mean the same republicans that chose Simon as their candidate and not Riordan, who would have probably won? Yeah, they have a good track record there.

Well, that election didn't have the plethora of candidates in this recall election. In order to survive, and get a candidate you wouldn't mind while keeping out a candidate you don't want, you almost have to go with the flow.

[Dinner]

If I was Arnould I wouldn't articulate a plan either. I mean why? If I do then I must say what programs I will cut to balance the budget and this will alienate some voters, where as, if I just speak in generalities with no specifics then I will offend no one.

Once in office it doesn't matter who you offend just as long as you don't offend enough people to get slapped with a recall.

[badams52]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Once in office it doesn't matter who you offend just as long as you don't offend enough people to get slapped with a recall.

My friends were talking about the possibilty of having a second recall election after the first one votes in a disappointing governor. And if it were to happen, my friend who wanted to run for the election but didn't cause he'd have to resign from his job in order to do so, might get a campaign together the second time.

[:) Smiley]

I hope Ahnold won't get elected. If he does, they ain't gonna make Terminator 4!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Even Riordan would be a more palatable choice for a conservative.

They had thier chance. Now they have to live with the consequences.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
They had thier chance. Now they have to live with the consequences.

Were that the case, the recall wouldn't be happening, since Davis is the consequence.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Were that the case, the recall wouldn't be happening, since Davis is the consequence.

The recall is happening because Davis has been such an incompetent that he lost the support of his own party.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Because that's the best you're going to get and demanding ideaological purity is what got the California Republican Party in the state it is in today.

You're too pragmatic to be a real conservative.

Neither the state nor the national party's social conservative side wants to promote the idea that you need to accept and promote moderate candidates to gain seats. Think platform fights in the conventions, RNC infighting on which primary candidates to support, sending mixed signals to fundraisers, etc.

IMO, the general view in each national party (the DNC treats moderate and conservative Dems with even more contempt) is that their less ideologically pure members will still support one of their own party, rather than a more ideologically removed candidate from the opposite party, so the disenchanted will still remain within their respective party ranks.

From a more cynical, Macchiavellian point of view, the last thing you want in a California governor is an ideological moderate who isn't in step with either party's ideologues. A successful, popular governor of California is a huge factor in presidential primary considerations, if not as a candidate, as a power broker. From the Republican point of view, California is a very expensive state to campaign in (lots of expensive media markets, lots of travel, big staffs), and a liberal government that ****s up is worth a lot of ammo against Dems in other states. First we've got the energy debacle, then the budget, and now both the budget and the recall. The Republicans aren't hurting on the national level because California is dominated for the moment by Democrats.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by badams52


My friends were talking about the possibilty of having a second recall election after the first one votes in a disappointing governor. And if it were to happen, my friend who wanted to run for the election but didn't cause he'd have to resign from his job in order to do so, might get a campaign together the second time.

Yet another inconsistency in the California Election Code is the number of petitions necessary to be signed to certify a recall election. In a recall of a regularly elected officeholder, it's clear, but how you derive the number of signatures needed to certify a recall of a statewide officeholder who takes office in a special election or by executive appointment ISN'T clear. So there may not even be a possibility of recalling the replacement until the courts or legislature act to define the qualifying votes.

If the recall produces a suckass replacement, I doubt anyone will put out the money for signature gatherers for a second effort, and the electorate will be pretty jaded about the whole process. What will really rile things up is if the state gets a much better performing governor out of the recall process, because that will encourage future use of the recall process more than any other result. Right now, I'm giving 5 to 3 on Bustamante as the next governor.

[The Vagabond]

Hell, at least the primaries introduce certain order into the election campaign, by bringing one candidate per party. Now it's a total mess. Parties (and party bureaucracies) are largely irrelevant. I hope Davis retains his job (for the good of America).

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Ramo
Arianna!!

I'd hit it.