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Originally posted by lord of the mark
A. Yes, under international law, the former is genocide, the latter is not
A. Yes, under international law, the former is genocide, the latter is not
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You are still evading the fact that it's murder, whether you want to call it "genocide" or not.A true ally stabs you in the front.
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ah so detaining people because of their religious beliefs is bad, but throwing them in prison because of politics and ideology suddenly isn't so...Originally posted by Master Zen
Plus, no one has been detained because of their religious beliefs.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And the current governments of Ruanda, Burundi, and Uganda have facilitated the murder of 3 million Congolese since 1994. In a hierarchy of evil governments, Ba'athist Iraq wasn't in the top ten. Which isn't to say he isn't a very, very bad man. But there are far worse.
"of 3 million Congolese since 1994"
IIUC, the 3 million represents the total Congolese death toll in their civil war. Were all of these civilians who were murdered? Werent many men under arms killed in war? And were all those who were civilians, and were killed deliberately, killed by the rebel side? And in the case of any who were killed by the rebel side - did Rwanda and Uganda approve of or support those actions? Im not accusing countries that supported Saddam for Iraqi deaths - Im only accusing Saddam - just as I would not accuse the US for civilians murdered by Stalin during WW2.
Rwanda in particular, had a government led by people who ended a vicious genocide - which WAS worse than what Saddam did - they saw their genocidaire enemies receiving succour in the Congo - they determined to try and control the Congolese govt. While that may have been a mistake, a violation of international law, and/or an immoral act, it DOES not put them on the level of genocidaires. Intentions matter, not just body counts."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I don't think that's what MZ was saying at all. He's just saying that there's a difference between Cuba and other communist countries.Originally posted by DinoDoc
ah so detaining people because of their religious beliefs is bad, but throwing them in prison because of politics and ideology suddenly isn't so...
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I am not arguing Cuba's atrocious political human rights record. I am simply making note of an inaccuracy in the first post.Originally posted by DinoDoc
ah so detaining people because of their religious beliefs is bad, but throwing them in prison because of politics and ideology suddenly isn't so...
A true ally stabs you in the front.
Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)Comment
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you posted it without comment. that implies you agree with it.Originally posted by Master Zen
Did I write it? no.
Another inaccuracy: there IS a certain degree freedom of religion in Cuba. The goverment might interfere in things like church construction or small religous sects' permits but as a whole, Cubans are free to profess their religion unlike other communist countries. Plus, no one has been detained because of their religious beliefs.
and it made various statements about afghanistan, which tend to say that there was something wrong about US policy. If you are not stating that we shouldnt have gone into afghanistan, then you should state how US policy should have been different."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That is just wrong.
Evidence?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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And that was the only one you could find?Originally posted by Master Zen
I am not arguing Cuba's atrocious political human rights record. I am simply making note of an inaccuracy in the first post.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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How does that imply he agrees with it? Perhaps he just wanted to start a conversation about it. I originally posted it and I agreed with it.Originally posted by lord of the mark
you posted it without comment. that implies you agree with it.Comment
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His "So true" comment might be cause for people to assume he agreed with it.Originally posted by BigDork
How does that imply he agrees with it?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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"Let's kill these people".Originally posted by lord of the mark
Intentions matter, not just body counts.
or
"Let's not do anything to prevent these people from getting killed"
wow, what a humane goverment the latter is!!
A true ally stabs you in the front.
Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)Comment
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yeah, i suppose we can't blame the good doctor for all the nuts attracted to his campaign, but it should still give us pause.Originally posted by BigDork
I got this the other day from Howard Dean's blog for America. I posted it at another forum and MZ brought it over here.
BtW: Howard Dean did not post this, someone not affiliated with the campaign except for as a supporter posted it."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I agree with the intent of the post, not necessarily every single fact.Originally posted by DinoDoc
His "So true" comment might be cause for people to assume he agreed with it.A true ally stabs you in the front.
Secretary General of the U.N. & IV Emperor of the Glory of War PTWDG | VIII Consul of Apolyton PTW ISDG | GoWman in Stormia CIVDG | Lurker Troll Extraordinaire C3C ISDG Final | V Gran Huevote Team Latin Lover | Webmaster Master Zen Online | CivELO (3°)Comment
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Yeah, like the difference in law between "im gonna kill someone" and "Im not gonna stop someone being killed"Originally posted by Master Zen
"Let's kill these people".
or
"Let's not do anything to prevent these people from getting killed"
wow, what a humane goverment the latter is!!
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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then you should have edited it.Originally posted by Master Zen
I agree with the intent of the post, not necessarily every single fact."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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