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  • Anti-Smoking lobby and political correctness etc

    My text will be short, but i hope you all say alot on this


    In your opinion, do these groups constitute an attack on freedom? (this includes similar groups, like the anti-alchohol etc)

    For example, should the govt have to force bars to be no smoking areas? Or should it be upto indviduals weather they goto a no smoke, or smoking bar?


    Should tobbacco ads be banned etc?

    what do you think about it?
    eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

  • #2
    I'm conflicted on this issue.

    I don't like restricting freedom of speech.

    But I saw some stats on nicotine that is disturbing. Less than 5% of people are able to quick. Cold turkey quitting is like 2%. It's such a powerful drug it needs to be regulated.

    So yes I do support bans on tobacco ads.

    I don't support smoke free bars. But I don't like the reverse either. I hate having to go into a bar and be forced to inhale all that smoke. I wish some bars would voluntarily be smoke free, but there is no market for that.

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    • #3
      as to tobacco dangers, shouldn't that be covered with a better educational approach? whouldn't people at a young age be made more aware, but without being told 'don't do it'. Just 'these are the facts... now its up to you' ??
      eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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      • #4
        Smoking kills. Ban it.
        What?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Richelieu
          Smoking kills. Ban it.

          life kills....

          but if someone wants to do something, no matter what harm it will do them, why should we stop them if they know full well the harm it can do?
          eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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          • #6
            Driving kills. Ban it?

            Ok, not a perfect analogy...


            Let's just say that banning everything that's bad for you doesn't strike me as good policy. How about that "war on drugs" eh?

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arrian
              Driving kills. Ban it?

              Ok, not a perfect analogy...


              Let's just say that banning everything that's bad for you doesn't strike me as good policy. How about that "war on drugs" eh?

              -Arrian
              Smoking kills. It serves no purpose. Everything about smoking is bad for you. Ban it.
              What?

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              • #8
                yes but cigarrette smoke is really bad for you.

                driving doesnt' kill you- crashing does

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                • #9
                  I don't mind stepping out of the bar to have a cig... It's not good for me and it's worse to everyone else.

                  Ads? With all the cig bashing adds won't do any good anyway.

                  Did anyone ever notice that on US beer commercials the people with the beers are never drinking any of it?
                  Monkey!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dissident
                    yes but cigarrette smoke is really bad for you.

                    driving doesnt' kill you- crashing does
                    but the people (atleast in western countries) now know the dangers, if they still want to do it, then why should we go out of our way to make it difficult for them?
                    eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Richelieu


                      Smoking kills. It serves no purpose. Everything about smoking is bad for you. Ban it.
                      But smoking makes you ! How will anyone be able to be if smoking is banned?

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                      • #12
                        Lots of things serve no purpose, and yet are bad for you.

                        How much banning are you willing to do?

                        The argument you ought to be hammering home, IMO, is that second hand smoke is harmful, and therefore if I smoke and you inhale some of it, I'm harming you, not just myself.

                        -Arrian
                        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                        • #13
                          yes it is illegal for them to drink alcohol on tv ads in the U.S. for some reason.

                          I never realy think cig ads do anything- except to people already addicted. how is a older guy sitting on a horse going to get me to smoke marlboros? Even if I saw a hot naked chick sitting on a horse, that wouldn't work on me.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ixnay


                            But smoking makes you ! How will anyone be able to be if smoking is banned?

                            we'd figure out some other self destructive way. We still have heavy drinking and tattoos

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                            • #15
                              Smoking kills. It serves no purpose. Everything about smoking is bad for you. Ban it.


                              Drinking alocohol kills. It serves no purpose. Everything about drinking alcohol is bad for you. Ban it.



                              In the end, it's basically the same. Drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco both kill and are both there to get you buzzed.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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