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Originally posted by Henrik
Originally posted by Azazel
My pov: It is not, but it should be.
My pov: It is not, but it should be.
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haha true. I don't think the US is the topic right now though.Originally posted by Azazel
If you're libertarian, the US is socialist, too.Comment
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The point was that the social policies of member states have not made EU policies "socialist". Also, your examples are rather weak.
"the massive amounts of taxation."
Not so much different from say the US when adjusted for tax subsidies and double taxation. Or is the US socialist, too, in your opinion?
" the massive amts of subsidies"
Ever heard of EU state aid law? The subsidies covered by that policy fell from 1.5 to 1 % of GDP over the last 10 years. EU agriculture subsidies are about as bad as those in the US.
"socialized healthcare"
AFAIK that's only the UK.
"large welfare programs"
Welfare? What exactly?
"uber powerful unions"
Their power varies a lot. One aspect is that there is no closed shop in most countries - not sure whether the UK still has it.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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I was suprised by Colon, when he said that France had one of the lowest unionisation rates in the industrialised world.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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yes the US is pretty socialist. tho less so than europe. and its completely laffable that europe is socialist yet u maintain the EU isnt YET u maintain that the EU has the same economic control as the federal gov't.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
The point was that the social policies of member states have not made EU policies "socialist". Also, your examples are rather weak.
"the massive amounts of taxation."
Not so much different from say the US when adjusted for tax subsidies and double taxation. Or is the US socialist, too, in your opinion?
" the massive amts of subsidies"
Ever heard of EU state aid law? The subsidies covered by that policy fell from 1.5 to 1 % of GDP over the last 10 years. EU agriculture subsidies are about as bad as those in the US.
"socialized healthcare"
AFAIK that's only the UK.
"large welfare programs"
Welfare? What exactly?
"uber powerful unions"
Their power varies a lot. One aspect is that there is no closed shop in most countries - not sure whether the UK still has it.
ur a joke man.Comment
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"yes the US is pretty socialist"
Ok, so your definition of "socialism" is so wide that it means nothing. Ok.
"and its completely laffable that europe is socialist yet u maintain the EU isnt YET u maintain that the EU has the same economic control as the federal gov't."
Can anyone translate this, please?
"ur a joke man"
You are a little confused, it seems.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"yes the US is pretty socialist"
Ok, so your definition of "socialism" is so wide that it means nothing. Ok.
"and its completely laffable that europe is socialist yet u maintain the EU isnt YET u maintain that the EU has the same economic control as the federal gov't."
Can anyone translate this, please?
"ur a joke man"
You are a little confused, it seems.
I'll talk slow. u agree europe is socialist. yet u maintain the eu isnt. and u also maintain that the EU has the same economic control over europe that the US federal gov't has. this is illogical captain.
its also funny that just cuz I think taking half(the US) or over half(europe) of someone's tax money constitutes "pretty socialist" that my definition is "too vague." honestly u r one of the more inept ppl on this forum.Comment
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"u agree europe is socialist"
You fail reading comprehension. You replace social with socialist.
"u also maintain that the EU has the same economic control over europe that the US federal gov't has"
You fail reading comprehension again. You replace power with control.
"its also funny that just cuz I think taking half(the US) or over half(europe) of someone's tax money"
Who takes half of the tax money?
"honestly u r one of the more inept ppl on this forum."
Says the person who can't even properly structure a simple sentence.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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wutever man. sure throw "u can't read" or wutever inane crap u want.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"u agree europe is socialist"
You fail reading comprehension. You replace social with socialist.
"u also maintain that the EU has the same economic control over europe that the US federal gov't has"
You replaced
its also funny that just cuz I think taking half(the US) or over half(europe) of someone's tax money constitutes "pretty socialist" that my definition is "too vague." honestly u r one of the more inept ppl on this forum.Comment
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Bambirbyja kirgudu all over again.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.Comment
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yah I'm just going to stop. I can feel myself getting sucked in by pure antagonism. find another hobby hershoComment
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Poor sob.
But it's off-topic anyway.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Originally posted by Frozzy
The EU only aids those poor nations, and is a hinderance to economic powers (e.g. Britain).
Germany, France all get hindered by the EU. Indeed!
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No, the European Union isn't socialist. The stability goals of the EMU prevent the very possibility of just legislation or fighting unemployment effectively. The EU is a major sponsor of the third-world-crippling GATS agreement and has consistently pushed for "free" trade and globalisation while maintaining enormous trade barriers to the outside world. The EU sponsors, on a large scale, corporations and mass farmers, it's deeply undemocratic and run by a cabal of corporate-sponsored comissioners, it's actively deregulatory and structurally neoliberal.
Which is why I'm for it turning into a superstate.
Does that sound like a contradiction? I believe that the citizens of the EU need to grab hold of the power while there's still a chance and build real democracy from below. I believe the only way we can safeguard the future of europe from the militarists and right-wingers is if we go in and fight now, left-wingers all over Europe working in solidarity to make the EU something we can stand for. I believe there are many positive things with the EU - the subsidiarity principle, the minority policy, the potential for getting at eco-criminals and tax evaders - and that we're inextricably stuck in it anyway, and that it's our duty to turn it into a real democratic unit.
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Mick102, 102,3 Umeå, Måndagar 20-21Comment
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