The beginning of the end for Fidel?

[monolith94]

I'm in favor of Cuba continuing to be Communist. Oh, if only we could clone Fidel, then we could have Fidel 2 be his successor. Seriously, without Fidel around, it's just not the same.

[Ned]

Originally posted by monolith94
I'm in favor of Cuba continuing to be Communist. Oh, if only we could clone Fidel, then we could have Fidel 2 be his successor. Seriously, without Fidel around, it's just not the same.

It would be interesting to see what kind of government the Cubans would elect if they had the right to vote and the exiles has a right of return. I think the Cubans need a little more political freedom and a lot less communism.

[rmsharpe]

Originally posted by Odin


The US won't let him form a democratic government and will set up a Batista-like dicatorship so US corporation can pay thier workers 10 cents per day. Sadly, I fear the US will do the same as the did in many other contries, set up a pro-US dictator to make it free for corporate greed.

Anyone with half a brain knows that's a bunch of nonsense. If that were true, how come we didn't just install dictators in Iraq and Afghanistan, or all in Western Europe and Japan? Panama? Grenada?

[Lancer]

"It would be interesting to see what kind of government the Cubans would elect if they had the right to vote and the exiles has a right of return. I think the Cubans need a little more political freedom and a lot less communism."

Think we should do something to speed this along? Also, isn't Cuba armed with a few nuc bombs? I heard that if Kennedy had sent in the marines that Castro had nukes he would use on the invasion beaches. Though I've wondered if this isn't more lefty revisionist history plastering the cracks in Kennedy's facade.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Lancer
"It would be interesting to see what kind of government the Cubans would elect if they had the right to vote and the exiles has a right of return. I think the Cubans need a little more political freedom and a lot less communism."

Think we should do something to speed this along? Also, isn't Cuba armed with a few nuc bombs? I heard that if Kennedy had sent in the marines that Castro had nukes he would use on the invasion beaches. Though I've wondered if this isn't more lefty revisionist history plastering the cracks in Kennedy's facade.

All the plaster in the world can't fill in the cracks in JFK's facade.

edit: I sure wished they would ditch those ****ing hats on the smilies.

[Ned]

Lancer, those were Soviet nukes. They were withdrawn. In exchange, Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba.

My only question is, does this guarantee expire with Castro?

[GeneralTacticus]

There's no-one who's going to demand it be followed anyway - the Soviet Union is dead.

[Hueij]

Originally posted by Ned
Jack, no one doubts that governments have a right to expropriate property for social or other purposes. However, they owe their prior owners just compensation. This is universally recognized attribute of civilized governments. Expropriation of property without compensation is a violation of international law and can amount to an act of war.

I don't think this issue is going to go away anytime soon. To the extent that US hostility and sanctions have caused Cuba harm far exceeding the value of the property they stole from Americans, all I can say is this is just payment for the barbarity and ideologically driven theft of Fidel Castro.

This said, as soon as that monstrosity is gone and the Cuban people are again allowed democracy and true representative government, I personally would be in favor of using US resources to help Cuba pay reparations to the Americans they stole from.

Again??

And Cuban reparations to Americans they stole from? How about American reparations to the Cubans they stole from during the Batista regime?

[Ned]

GT, Good point.

Hueij, so all Americans are to be punished if they invest outside the US, is that your point? What are you, an idiot?

[Ned]

Just as a personal comment, I find it very difficult to stay a member of this forum. The leftist bullcraps is so deep here that it is really depressing.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Ned
Just as a personal comment, I find it very difficult to stay a member of this forum. The leftist bullcraps is so deep here that it is really depressing.

Keep the faith bro! Lurking everywher is the silent majority.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
Just as a personal comment, I find it very difficult to stay a member of this forum. The leftist bullcraps is so deep here that it is really depressing.

Sorry Ned, but what is depressing is people who fail to see beyond their own prejudices when rpesented with arguements or evidence. Everyon in this board is biased one way or the other: the question is, to do accept the arguements others make in good faith or not, and how do you handle them.

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO
Keep the faith bro! Lurking everywher is the silent majority.

And by their silence, makes it impossible for anyone to gage their ideas and their opinions. Thus no one can really say anything for them.

[MrFun]

Castro will be ruling Cuba when we have our next president.

It's so tiring to see this hag dressed as a man still a ruler of Cuba (sigh).

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap


And by their silence, makes it impossible for anyone to gage their ideas and their opinions. Thus no one can really say anything for them.

Touche.

Here it is then. Cuba has recovered well from the fall of the USSR. They have been quietly garnering allies and friends in central and south america. Their present form of government is entrenched and will likely survive Castro. IMO, economic pressure will increase on them to formulate change only when the embargo is lifted. The US will do this, but only after Castro's demise. It will happen in stages that will appear to benefit the expatriates in order not to lose their support. Eventually the government in Cuba will eithier reform or become economically dependent on the US. Should the later happen, then the chances of a Batista like regime coming to power increase.

The impact of dissidents is hard to gauge in a post-Castro cuba because the strategic alliances that will bring them power will most likely have ties with some in the current government. This is impossible to tell at this juncture due to the closed nature of the current government.