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  • Insane Nuclear Maniac threatens world peace.

    Yes, it's your friend and mine - the world's undisputed undefeated threat to world peace - the US government.

    A two-day conference to plan the future of the American nuclear arsenal, including the development of so-called mini-nukes, is being held this week at StratCom, the headquarters of US Strategic Command in Nebraska.

    The Bush administration appears determined to build a new generation of small nuclear weapons, especially "earth penetrators", designed to attack nuclear, chemical or biological materials buried deep underground.

    A new form of warfare is coming. It is the extension into the nuclear field of the highly accurate conventional bombs and missiles already in use.

    Some 150 top scientists and senior officials will meet at the Offutt Air Force Base and the meeting will be in private. According to an agenda leaked earlier this year by an anti-nuclear group, one of their panels will tackle the issue of mini-nukes.

    In the jargon preferred by those in this business, they are called "small build" weapons - weapons of about one kiloton, 1,000 tonnes of explosive.

    According to the leaked agenda, the "Future Arsenal" panel will examine "requirements for low-yield weapons, EPW's, enhanced radiation weapons, [and] agent defeat weapons."

    A new form of warfare is coming - the extension into the nuclear field of the highly accurate conventional bombs and missiles already in use

    Decoded, this means nuclear devices with that produce small amounts of radiation, earth-penetrating weapons to attack underground bunkers, larger devices with greater radiation effects and weapons to destroy chemical and biological agents.

    The meeting, called the "Stockpile Stewardship Conference", grew from a re-assessment of US nuclear strategy in the post-Cold War era.

    This "Nuclear Posture Review" was sent by the Pentagon to Congress in December 2001.

    More flexible

    It basically said that there had to be a switch away from the old nuclear deterrent - using long-range bombers, missiles and submarines - to a more flexible approach based more on defences such as the anti-missile system now being developed and small devices yet to be made.


    The major weapons systems have to be reduced anyway under a treaty with Russia, cutting deployed nuclear warheads to between 1,700 and 2,200 by the year 2012.

    At the time of the review, the US Assistant Secretary for International Security Policy, J D Crouch, said: "Today we have a very different situation (from the Cold War). We have a situation where the United States may face multiple potential opponents, but we're not sure who they might be. There are multiple sources or potential sources of conflict."

    Multiple sources of conflict are leading to multiple sources of weapons.

    'Earth penetrator'

    The review identified the earth penetrator as one element of the new arsenal:

    The US and Russia have agreed on arms limitations

    "With a more effective earth penetrator, many buried targets could be attacked using a weapon with a much lower yield than would be required with a surface based weapon.

    "This power yield would achieve the same damage while producing less fallout (by a factor of ten to twenty).

    "For defeat of very deep or larger underground facilities, penetrating weapons with large yields would be needed to collapse the facility," it said.

    A report from the House of Representatives subcommittee on national security said in February 2003: "The president should have options - the options of conventional forces, of precision conventional weapons and of nuclear weapons that are capable of holding all targets at risk."

    Opposition

    There has been an anti-nuclear demonstration at StratCom this week by the Los Angeles Study group, the organisation which leaked the agenda.

    And numerous anti-nuclear pressure groups have criticised the mini-nuke plan.

    In Britain, Ben Miller, a spokesman the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, told BBC News Online: "It is shocking, disgusting and disgraceful that US defence department officials are meeting in the very week of the anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in which over 110,000 people died.

    In the United States, Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, said: "Why in the world would we move towards manufacturing small nuclear weapons and then expect that no one will ever try to steal, beg or borrow one and use it against us?"

    Other panels at this week's conference will consider the issue of how to maintain the US nuclear stockpile in working order without being able to carry out live tests.

    The US has observed a moratorium on testing since 1992 and is developing a computer-based simulation programme instead.

    It is not known however if these computer tests will do the job.

    So there will be an examination at the meeting as to whether live testing will be recommended again.

    A Pentagon spokesman, Major Michael Shavers, said: "They're going to take a look at the status of the nation's nuclear stockpile, particularly with an eye towards the Moscow Treaty that says we've got to get our stockpile numbers down and how we do that in a manner that still allows us to maintain a credible nuclear deterrent."
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    What else can a reasonable person say, other than that anyone who thinks this is a good idea is a certifiable lunatic.
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  • #2
    Good.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3

      The United States is at the top of my list of "Countries that can be trusted with nuclear weapons". I see no problem with expanding our arsenal as much as possible.

      edit: by "expanding" I mean diversifying strategies and weapons, not necessarily having tens of thousands of bombs.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by SlowwHand
        Good.
        You know I've long suspected you were a sick SOB, now I'm sure.

        Of course you do realize that the existence of such munitions makes the use of nuclear weapons more likely.

        Need I remind you of what this means? The weapons under development will be about 1/3 the power of the one that did this:
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        • #6
          1) Copycat thread.
          2) This has been public knowledge since at least Feb. Why are you just now reacting to it?
          3) Here's a question I've asked everytime this topic has come up and have yet to recieve an answer to. "How will these new nukes differ from the B61-11?"
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #7
            Originally posted by Sava

            The United States is at the top of my list of "Countries that can be trusted with nuclear weapons".
            Oh really? Well presumably the nation at the bottom of the list would be the only worthless piece of crap that actually used them.

            Gee... what country would be dumb enough to do that?

            I wonder....
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            • #8
              nukes are useless, against an enemy armyu wou would need to use so many to do any real damage to his front line (As there is never a mass build up of troops within a 5miles radiace), which would make the battlefield an uninhabitable mess, ie on the deffensive you've wasted your own contry, on the offensive you've wasted the country you will attack.

              against big cities? lethal, but politically disatrous, and no military benefit aside from tkaing out manpower and indutrial capacity, but for most nations the political fall out wouldn't be worth it.
              eimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophias

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              • #9
                Cry me a river Agathon... Nuclear deterence works. And when all out war happens, using nuclear weapons to bring a quick end to such a war is a good thing. But perhaps you wish millions of people on both sides should die in massive ground invasions rather than one or two nukes killing a few hundred thousand.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc

                  3) Here's a question I've asked everytime this topic has come up and have yet to recieve an answer to. "How will these new nukes differ from the B61-11?"
                  Because they are nuclear weapons...

                  There's a line that most people can see between the use of conventional and the use of nuclear weapons. It's a line worth preserving.

                  ****ing nuclear cowboys.
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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Agathon
                    Because they are nuclear weapons...
                    So is the weapon I asked about. What's your point?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #12
                      Maybe in your fantasy world, everyone will play nice and hold hands and sing "KumBaYa", Agathon... but in the real world, there are evil dictators, murderous regimes, and foreign governments who would like nothing more than to march into Washington and burn America to the ground. And like it or not, the United States protects your Canadian ass.

                      Answer me this, how many nukes have been used in combat since 1945? Zero? Okay, so STFU!
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Sava
                        Cry me a river Agathon... Nuclear deterence works. And when all out war happens, using nuclear weapons to bring a quick end to such a war is a good thing. But perhaps you wish millions of people on both sides should die in massive ground invasions rather than one or two nukes killing a few hundred thousand.
                        Read the article....

                        The point isn't about strategic deterrence. That works. However, these are not weapons of deterrence, they are designed for specific military purposes (the destruction of bunkers and the like).

                        There are already enough nukes in the US to deter any sane person. These things are designed to be used.
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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          Maybe in your fantasy world, everyone will play nice and hold hands and sing "KumBaYa", Agathon... but in the real world, there are evil dictators, murderous regimes, and foreign governments who would like nothing more than to march into Washington and burn America to the ground. And like it or not, the United States protects your Canadian ass.
                          Get real...

                          This has nothing to do with deterrence. These are weapons designed to be used in pre-emptive strikes.

                          Frankly, my Canadian ass wishes you'd all just piss off. Protect us from who, exactly?? Everybody likes us.

                          No wonder people want to burn your country to the ground.

                          Answer me this, how many nukes have been used in combat since 1945? Zero? Okay, so STFU!
                          Oh yeah.... "well your honour, I haven't committed any massacres since 1945, that must mean I'm a great guy."
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                          • #15
                            So did Dubya commit massacres in 1945?

                            By the way, what do you think the Japanese would have done to you if you lived in Nanking?
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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