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    Report: Marines dropped devices similar to Napalm on Iraqi troops
    The Associated Press
    Last Updated 11:18 a.m. PDT Tuesday, August 5, 2003
    SAN DIEGO (AP) - Marine Corps fighter pilots and commanders say they dropped firebombs similar to napalm on Iraqi troops earlier this year, according to a report published Tuesday.
    The Marines say that in March, U.S. warplanes dropped dozens of incendiary bombs near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris River in central Iraq to clear the way for troops headed to Baghdad.

    "We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11, told the San Diego Union-Tribune. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.
    "They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," Alles added.

    He could not provide estimates of Iraqi casualties.

    "The generals love napalm," said Alles. "It has a big psychological effect."

    The firebombs were used again in April against Iraqis near a key Tigris River bridge, north of Numaniyah, the Marines said. There were reports of another attack on the first day of the war.

    During the war, Pentagon spokesmen denied that napalm was being used, saying the Pentagon's stockpile had been destroyed two years ago. Napalm, a thick, burning combination of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene, was used against people and villages in Vietnam. Its use drew widespread criticism.

    The newspaper said the spokesmen were apparently drawing a distinction between the terms firebomb and napalm.

    The Marines dropped "Mark 77 firebombs," which use kerosene-based jet fuel and a smaller concentration of benzene. Marine spokesman Col. Michael Daily acknowledged the incendiary devices were "remarkably similar" to napalm weapons, but said they had less of an impact on the environment.

    "You can call it something other than napalm, but it's napalm," said John Pike, defense analyst with GlobalSecurity.org, a nonpartisan research group in Alexandria, Va.

    Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Jim Amos confirmed aircraft dropped what he and other Marines continue to call napalm on Iraqi troops on several occasions. He commanded Marine jet and helicopter units involved in the Iraq war and leads the Miramar-based 3rd Marine Air Wing.

    Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets.

    "Incendiaries create burns that are difficult to treat," said Robert Musil, executive director of Physicians for Social Responsibility, a Washington group that opposes the use of weapons of mass destruction.

    Musil described the Pentagon's distinction between napalm and Mark 77 firebombs as "pretty outrageous."

    Before March, the last time U.S. forces had used napalm in combat was the Persian Gulf War, again by Marines.
    They said it best -- not a great way to die, and doesn't feature the same level of control as GPS-guided smart bombs. Not such a great idea when a tyrant like Saddam puts his military installations in civilian areas, but (hopefully) they're only using it in open areas, like those bridges.

    But we're against a ban on using these things on "possible civilian targets"?
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    There is already a post on this.
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      • #4
        the U.S. is very non-committal about banning certain types of warfare.

        hell we still have chemical and biological weapons stocks.

        As if the U.S. sees a situation in which we would use those.

        I wonder...

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        • #5
          We point our WoMD at other nations to stop them from building their own. It's rather hypocritical, but it works and instills our emperialistic fist over them...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dissident
            the U.S. is very non-committal about banning certain types of warfare.

            hell we still have chemical and biological weapons stocks.

            As if the U.S. sees a situation in which we would use those.

            I wonder...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dissident
              the U.S. is very non-committal about banning certain types of warfare.

              hell we still have chemical and biological weapons stocks.

              As if the U.S. sees a situation in which we would use those.

              I wonder...

              Nope, bio stocks were eliminated by US presidential directive under Nixon. The CIA had some, which lead to the Church hearings in the Senate.
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              • #8
                The other thread is at http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...threadid=93938
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                • #9
                  naw, we need two threads for this topic

                  I was under the impression that we have chemical and bio weapons in storage in Minnesota (or was it Montana). But perhaps that is only chemical weapons.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gopher



                    Nope, bio stocks were eliminated by US presidential directive under Nixon. The CIA had some, which lead to the Church hearings in the Senate.
                    Oh, please.

                    The US has a ton of bio/chemical weapons, I'm sure. I would be surprised if there isn't a developed country that doesn't.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dissident
                      naw, we need two threads for this topic

                      I was under the impression that we have chemical and bio weapons in storage in Minnesota (or was it Montana). But perhaps that is only chemical weapons.
                      Yep, only chems. And actually, IIRC, there are 12 states with stockpiles, virtually all schedualed for destruction. I think most of the chem weapons were created before 86 or so, except for CS (teargas, always in demand).
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gopher


                        Yep, only chems.
                        And what do you call smallpox and anthrax? They've always been quick to point out how tight the security is around these bio-weapons during all the terrorist scares.
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                        • #13
                          they were talking about russian bio weapons.

                          We only have samples of smallpox locked in a lab somewhere. As far as I know we don't have weapons equipped to deploy smallpox and anthrax.

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                          • #14
                            The US maintains the ability to make more germ weapons, but storing them isn;t worth the effort, or the political fallout. I doubt the Us would have much doubts using them anyhow, if a situation arose.

                            And the US never got even a tenth of the way the Soviets did in mass manufacturing the stuff, both germ and chemical.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dissident
                              they were talking about russian bio weapons.
                              And american. Of course, american media no doubt focused primarily on the russian samples.


                              We only have samples of smallpox locked in a lab somewhere. As far as I know we don't have weapons equipped to deploy smallpox and anthrax.
                              No envelopes or needles?

                              Not even some modifiable missles? I'm sure they've got a few especially designed for it tucked away somewhere, anyways.
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