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I thought we were talking about fairness, not who can afford what. Who are you to say that a "rich" person can afford something?meet the new boss, same as the old boss
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Isn't it at least as fair and probably more so to tax by the actual effect rather than numerical value? If we tax poor people at 50%, that's going to mean a massive reduction in living standards and happiness for them and their family, while taxing a rich person at 50% results in much less of an effect, even a proportional effect.
And David, I like reason as much as anyone else, but the emotional argument that this would result in poor children starving so that rich people could get a third private jet is still a real argument that can't be run away from. If I have to put it in philosophojargon before you accept it, it would result in a loss of utility from the poor people much greater than that from the rich person, and thus from a utilitarian system is unjust. Fairness is a very vague concept, and I would call that poor person starving significantly more unfair than the rich person having to pay a numerically higher value."Although I may disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to hear me tell you how wrong you are."
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Originally posted by David Floyd
I don't support getting rich through fraud. That argument doesn't work. If you defraud me, you should go to jail.
I'm sure they do, and this hard work is a good start towards future prosperity
Success does NOT equal "worthiness" as there are WAY to many factors besides "how hard you work"........ I'd say luck is one hell of a big factor. Just because you are succesfull does not mean you are automatically more "worthy"........ deriving your ultra-wealth from the poor while ignoring/opressing them is unquestionably immoral. If you think its okay, then its fairly obvious your motivations are greed and little else.
So you want someone who is working a 80 hour week working his ass off, to pay more, enough that he cant afford to feed himself, as opposed to an Enron CEO not being able to buy three ivory toiler roll containers this week?
No im not a communist, but if it isnt obvious I think taxing the rich more heavily is a good idea.
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Spoken like a true facist, you'd do Adolf Hitler proud.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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Originally posted by Sikander
It costs everyone money when you vote. It must be nice to be so cocksure of yourself that you feel that you know better than everyone else how their money should be spent, Commisar.
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I just hope you never find yourself on the sh1tty end of a right wing taxation system
Spoken like a true facist, you'd do Adolf Hitler proud.
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Originally posted by Vesayen
Well there is a large amount of corruption amoung the rich, to be ULTRA-rich it is a gate to entry. Deal with the facts and the world how it is, not some unrealistic utopia-do you really expect goverment efficiency to increase?
No, anyone who is in a crappy minimum wage job working their ass off will more likley stay there, working their lives away in a crappy job, while some rich corrupt pig profits off it doing no work.
Success does NOT equal "worthiness" as there are WAY to many factors besides "how hard you work"........ I'd say luck is one hell of a big factor. Just because you are succesfull does not mean you are automatically more "worthy"........ deriving your ultra-wealth from the poor while ignoring/opressing them is unquestionably immoral. If you think its okay, then its fairly obvious your motivations are greed and little else.
So you want someone who is working a 80 hour week working his ass off, to pay more, enough that he cant afford to feed himself, as opposed to an Enron CEO not being able to buy three ivory toiler roll containers this week?
No im not a communist, but if it isnt obvious I think taxing the rich more heavily is a good idea.
Secondly, the U.S. taxed the crap out of the rich during the 20th century. It made everyone poorer. Amusingly the rich are their own worst enemies when it comes to holding on to their money. Their fvcked up kids can destroy the largest of fortunes within a generation or two, with very few exceptions.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
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Originally posted by Sikander
Firstly, I feel that large thefts and frauds should be punished much more severely than they are and enough resources should be allocated to make white collar criminals sweat continuously. I'd say 5 years in jail for every million dollars stolen, automatic life in prison without parole for stealing 10 million, and the death penalty for stealing 25 million plus.
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It's facist because he is saying goverment perpetuation is more important, the GOAL of the goverment, and more important then its citizenry.
Red -I'm not getting sanctimonious, I've been on both sides of the fence, and it's nice to know I havn't changed my ideals just because the money has started coming in
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If someone can't afford healthcare, you might say that's unfair, but you can't say that it's fair to me to take my money to help them pay for it.
I care about the objective definition of fairness, and in this case, it means that either everyone pays the same rate of tax, or no one pays any tax at all.
Fairness is an overrated concept. If poor people don't pay taxes, then their government won't do their bidding. Rather, it will do the bidding of those who pay the taxes. This fact is starkest at the local level.
There wouldn't be forced taxation if we had a true right wing system. Guess what, the poor wouldn't pay taxes like they do under your ideology, so pulling that old "I'm more compassionate than you" routine doesn't wash.To us, it is the BEAST.
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