Al Sharpton - We Need to Pay Our Share

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Soul Survivor
we all pay the government for the same things, roads, schools, military, why should we even have percentages, why not just make a tax, $15,000 per year if you want to live in the country.

I suspect you know the answer, but here goes ? 'Who'd do the sh!tty jobs on less than $30,000 a year?

You'd end up full of lawyers, programmers, doctors etc and no one to collect your garbage

[DanS]

Fairness is an overrated concept. If poor people don't pay taxes, then their government won't do their bidding. Rather, it will do the bidding of those who pay the taxes. This fact is starkest at the local level.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by David Floyd

That's what voluntary charities are for.

And I get the feeling youre a BIG contributor?

I just hope you never find yourself on the sh1tty end of a right wing taxation system

[Skanky Burns]

Fairness is an overrated concept. If poor people don't pay taxes, then their government won't do their bidding. Rather, it will do the bidding of those who pay the taxes. This fact is starkest at the local level.

Poor people vote though. This helps them on a national level (there being more poor people than ultra-rich people).

[DanS]

Who cares if they vote? The government's first priority is always to perpetuate itself. It can perpetuate itself just fine no matter how the poor people vote. But you can be sure that government will hop to, when its tax base is threatened. The tax base is always pampered with government services in any way that will help grow the base.

[Skanky Burns]

If they don't get votes, then they won't be the government.

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by DanS
But you can be sure that government will hop to, when its tax base is threatened.

Correct, but people need to have a social concience (sp), it costs me money to vote the way I do every election, but I think it's the right thing to do

[Vesayen]

So floyd anyone who is succesfull worked hard to get there?

Anyone who isnt is a degenerate, LAZY minority drug user, right?

I'm sure there are no industrialists who inherited it all or got it through unethical means, or poorer people who work their ass off for every penny.


"Fairness"-I would say the latter is more likley then the former.

[DanS]

Yeh, but how can you buy their votes without a strong tax base? Is a politician going to spend his own money to do that? Not bloody likely!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by reds4ever


Not to a socialist

How about, as a compromise, for every dollar you earn (say) between

$0 - $5000 - you pay no tax
5,000 -15000 - you pay 15% tax
$15000 - $30000 - you pay 20%
$30000 - $60000 - you pay 35%
$60000 + you pay 50%

totally arbritary figures, but you get the gist?

This is more or less what we do in the U.S., although there are a large number of taxes other than the income tax, and many of them are more or less "flat".

[David Floyd]

And I get the feeling youre a BIG contributor?

Why should I? I'm already taxed far too much. If this money is mismanaged, that's not my problem.

it costs me money to vote the way I do every election, but I think it's the right thing to do

The right thing to do is to force others to make your conscience feel better? Here's a thought, if it bothers you that poor people are suffering, then YOU should voluntarily donate, not force others too.

[David Floyd]

So floyd anyone who is succesfull worked hard to get there?

I'm sure there are no industrialists who inherited it all

In the case of inheritance, obviously someone had to earn it. Who you give your money to after you die is no one's business but your own.

or got it through unethical means,

I don't support getting rich through fraud. That argument doesn't work. If you defraud me, you should go to jail.

or poorer people who work their ass off for every penny.

I'm sure they do, and this hard work is a good start towards future prosperity

[Sikander]

Originally posted by DanS
Fairness is an overrated concept. If poor people don't pay taxes, then their government won't do their bidding. Rather, it will do the bidding of those who pay the taxes. This fact is starkest at the local level.

Interesting observation.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by DanS
Who cares if they vote? The government's first priority is always to perpetuate itself.

Spoken like a true facist, you'd do Adolf Hitler proud.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by reds4ever


Correct, but people need to have a social concience (sp), it costs me money to vote the way I do every election, but I think it's the right thing to do

It costs everyone money when you vote. It must be nice to be so cocksure of yourself that you feel that you know better than everyone else how their money should be spent, Commisar.