Contact Your Senator - Stop New Drug Czar From Being Confirmed

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pekka
Fez, man that's just evil

And I have no problem with sentencing somebody to have several dozen lashes for possessing less than 200 grams and receiving a 30 year prison sentence.

It works in Singapore. Why not elsewhere?

Bringing up alcohol.. sheesh.. red wine is actually good for you. Marijuana is not and has been known to cause brain damage.

[Pekka]

Fez, Sure, if we shoot everyone who speeds instead of giving speeding tickest right at the stop, it would work too. You know, Taliban was able to get rid off most crimest too. They were very effective, but it doesn't mean they were good.......

Why is it your concern if I want to grow marijuana and smoke inside my own house? If I want to give myself a brain damage doing it, then so be it, but if I get caught and get sentenced to death, that's pretty hard. It's like if I was beating my head to wall, the cops come and apprehend me on abusing myself and then judge senteces me to death because of it.

[DanielXY]

"In conclusion, our meta-analysis of studies that have attempted to address the question of longer term neurocognitive disturbance in moderate and heavy cannabis users has failed to demonstrate a substantial, systematic, and detrimental effect of cannabis use on neuropsychological performance. It was surprising to find such few and small effects given that most of the potential biases inherent in our analyses actually increased the likelihood of finding a cannabis effect."

Source: Grant, Igor, et al., "Non-Acute (Residual) Neurocognitive Effects Of Cannabis Use: A Meta-Analytic Study," Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society (Cambridge University Press: July 2003), 9, p. 687.

[Pekka]

Fez, wine is good, if you are moderate with it. Go tell that to the drunks in the streets and to AA meetings. Oh yeah I forgot.. you haven't drank any because it's illegal.
Or.. are you braking the law? Multiple offender? I wonder what Singapore thinks of that.

[Boris Godunov]

Fez, you are morally no different from the Taliban. You're no different than someone who advocated executing people for engaging in homosexual acts.

More people die because of alcohol--vastly more--than because of drug use. There are countless health problems associated with alchohol use, including liver damage and brain damage. You'll note that alcohol kills brain cells--and judging by your statements, I'd say this proves you've had way too many glasses of wine.

[SlowwHand]

I want to be just like Singapore when I grow up.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
are wine prices aritificially jacked up? cause supposedly ancient romand and greek commoners drank wine and people in the mediterrenean (except muslims obviously) of all classes continued drinking wine through the rest of history until recently when it's suddenly become an upper class thing. so are the prices jacked up or something?

IIRC, back then they drunk a much more dilute wine (for everyday drinking).

[Evil Knevil]

Weed is the largest cash crop in the US. It provides a larger income than all other non-food crops put together.

So there is an economic reason for decriminalisation!

Don't use that lazy "because they're here already" arguement to justify leniancy to booze and smokes, but bullets for weed users.

[Evil Knevil]

Oh and despite rises in the manditory sentences for possession, drug possession rose in the 1990's. So **** your modern day gin laws.

[rev]

Fez, I think that in your posts to this thread, you've outlined what I fear might be the entire conservative morale for keeping things like marijuana illegal.

Let me demonstrate:

1. The old "If I do it, it's OK, but everything I don't do is wrong" argument: (question: should we forbid alcohol as well?) "No because I drink wine. 'Nuf said".

2. If the rich like it, it's OK, but if the poor like it, it should be eliminated: "Wine is too high class to be banned."

3. It's already illegal, so why change the rules, even for the benefit of dying cancer patients? ". And since it is illegal in the US and Singapore, it should remain that way."

The ONLY point you've made against marijuana in terms of morals is this: "Illcit drugs do nothing but cause harm to the society and health." And that may be a true statement in a discussion of cocaine and heroin, when it comes to, say, marijuana, it's nothing more than an evil-by-association scare tactic.

[Kuciwalker]

1. The old "If I do it, it's OK, but everything I don't do is wrong" argument: (question: should we forbid alcohol as well?) "No because I drink wine. 'Nuf said".

2. If the rich like it, it's OK, but if the poor like it, it should be eliminated: "Wine is too high class to be banned."

I'm against banning alcohol (cigarette's are another matter) not because it can't be bad, but for two reasons:

a) the "high class" thing - when alcohol is in fine wine, it probably isn't used improperly. Plus, in several regions wine is a thing of cultural importance and tradition.

b) alcohol is far too easy to make on your own. Virtually anyone can do it using household materials. Thus it is essentially impossible to regulate (as the Prohibition showed)

Alcohol causes so much damage because it has been allowed to insert itself inextricably into our society and culture. Had it been prevented in the first place (which was impossible, considering that alcohol dates back to prehistory), that would have been a good thing. However, there is really nothing we can do at this point.

btw, I don't drink, for a variety of reasons.

The ONLY point you've made against marijuana in terms of morals is this: "Illcit drugs do nothing but cause harm to the society and health." And that may be a true statement in a discussion of cocaine and heroin, when it comes to, say, marijuana, it's nothing more than an evil-by-association scare tactic.

Marijuana does do harm to society. It is a gateway drug. Marijuana is a carcinogen, it is addictive, it does cause brain damage and birth defects.

[Berzerker]

The following is from Fez:

I want to see the US adopt a model based on the Singaporean law system. 200 grams of marijuana = death sentence. Any lower is a hefty prision sentence with a couple dozen lashes.

No because I drink wine. 'Nuf said

That and the rest of my personal life is none of your god damn business.

Now stop acting like a hypocrite, and accept that you are the one that lacks substance in your debates.

Fez, if hypocrisy was gold, you'd be the wealthiest person alive (and I use "person" reluctantly).

DanielXY, marijuana is just marijuana. And since it is illegal in the US and Singapore, it should remain that way.

Slavery was legal in the US, had you lived back then would you argue for it's continued legality just because it was legal?

[Evil Knevil]

Marijuana grows wild in many States. The oldest references to recreational weed use are from around 1000-800bc during the first Chinese Dynasty.

Marijuana has cultural significance to some people.... Especially the rastifari movement.

It causes no cell deaths. There have been no causal links between weed and brain damage (quite a few co-orelational studies tho).

Alcohol causes immensely more damage to the brain, even in small doses. This includes damage to the mammilary bodies, causing much more severe memory loss than weed could ever do.

Weed is not implicated in birth defects, except in the same way/magnitude that cigs are. However fetal alcohol syndrome is the largest cause of mental retardation in the Western world.

Marijuana is not psychoactively, or classically addictive. It does can cause dependancy, but thats a personal issue. In fact it is alot like candy in that sense (not fast food which may be linked to classical addiction).

There have been no peer-reviewed studies that provide evidence that weed is a gateway drug.

Saying something is something doesn't make it true.

[Kuciwalker]

Can't you just kinda ignore Fez? It's not fair to our side that he supports us

[Evil Knevil]

We've all said that once or twice