Protecting victims of false rape allegations

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh crap.. this has turned into another whether socialists should back feminism threadjack .

[monkspider]

Sorry Immerz.

Back when I first joined Apolyton Che was sort of a hero to me, a fatherly commie figure of sorts, so knowledgeable and wise. He provided a lot of inspiration for me as a commie. It just makes me sad that he would support something like feminism. It just seems makes it seem that socialists, the great bringers of freedom and enlightenment, are no better than any other political group, squabbling with their own arbitrary interests and so on, ya know? Even someone like Che going as far as suggesting that I wasn't a "real" socialist for swearing allegiance to feminism. It just sort of makes me sad.

[chequita guevara]

All heroes have feet of clay.

[Spiffor]

Monkspider:
From what I've read, it seems feminism has become hijacked by raving mad ideologues in the US, but you shouldn't dismiss the historical achievements of feminism in the past.

A mere 40 years ago, the role model for women was to be housewives, skilled in the art of sewing, cooking, etc. as well as raising children. Working women sure did exist, but this work shouldn't go against their domestic job. The education level of women was generally lower than men, and they had little say over men in all important decisions (including family decisions).

Thanks to the feminists, women have now stopped thinking themselves as inferior to men. Thanks to the feminists, it is now clear that women's fate is not to be housewives dependant on their husband. Thanks to feminism, men now begin to take part in house chores and in raising children. Those are big achievements that have been done over decades, and that aren't finished.

There are hysterical feminists, what you'd call feminazis, but they aren't the majority (well, they seem to be in power position in today's US, but I trust the reasonable feminists will change that). Today's feminism is strongly oriented towards eliminating the many symbols of male domination.

This new aim means a cultural fight. Fight against sexist advertisements or programs. Fight against old vocabulary featuring male domination. Fight against the implicit acceptation of rape.

Sure, some things are extreme. In their language crusade, the feminists have tried to impose the word "womyn", and in Germany, any PC word must now finish by the feminine ending (exemple, 'Students' is translated 'Studenten'; all the PC literature now writes 'StudentInnen' with a capitalized I; the read quickly becomes horrendous). But these few sad ideas should not let you forget what feminism has done in the past, and what it's continuing to do.

[Velociryx]

Really, are they? Given that I know three people I strongly suspect were guilty of rape, and that others knew this as well, and that they got along with their lives just fine, I'm wondering how abominable this treatment is. Hell, one guy even admitted that he did in fact rape the person he was accussed of raping, and the school pressured police to lower the charges to assault. A year later, he was an Residenence Associate, with keys to the women's dorm, not that there were any further complaints against him.

A person I know who was falsely accused of rape received no ill-will at all. People simply went, right, sure. That's four people accused of rape that I know who went on with no problems, one of whom admitted it and two others I believe did do it.

So....on the basis of a sample size of THREE, I must be wrong, eh?

/me shakes head sadly at those who are so blinded that they cannot see the obvious

-=Vel=-

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by Velociryx
So....on the basis of a sample size of THREE, I must be wrong, eh?

Four.

[Velociryx]

Ah yes...four. That's the straw that breaks it....

-=Vel=-

[Kuciwalker]

That makes it all better then

[Shi Huangdi]

"Really, are they? Given that I know three people I strongly suspect were guilty of rape, and that others knew this as well, and that they got along with their lives just fine, I'm wondering how abominable this treatment is. Hell, one guy even admitted that he did in fact rape the person he was accussed of raping, and the school pressured police to lower the charges to assault. A year later, he was an Residenence Associate, with keys to the women's dorm, not that there were any further complaints against him.

A person I know who was falsely accused of rape received no ill-will at all. People simply went, right, sure. That's four people accused of rape that I know who went on with no problems, one of whom admitted it and two others I believe did do it."

I am glad the person you knew was able to escape unscathed after facing a false accusation, obviously he's one of the lucky ones.

Did you guys read my first article? The 15 year old who had to go through so much trauma was not famous by any means, yet he had to face so much misery because of said allegation. And he has to be one of the lucky ones that it came out with strong evidence that his accuser was likely.

For those people who feel this shouldn't be a concern for men, rape is THE most falsely reported crime there is. It's obvious women have a power weapon in their hands that they can use maliciously, it needs to be taken away.

[Spiffor]

btw Shi, will you go to the London 'Poly meet in 4 days ?

[Shi Huangdi]

Sorry Spiffor. I'd love to meet you, but this is a family vacation and I don't have perfecy control of where I will be. While you guys are in London, I think I will be somewhere up in the Scottish Highlands. Let me know if you are ever in the US though.

[Spiffor]

Well, I won't be in London either at that time (rather, I'll be disembarking in Corsica with my gf).
But I'd sure love to meet you or other Apolytoners if I'm in the US

[Sikander]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I'm old enough to remember when this was the norm, when women who were raped probably deserved it, when wifes couldn't be raped by their husbands because they owed it to their husbands. At each point along the way, it was conservatives who were screaming bloody murder against changing our perceptions of the victims and survivors of rape. Don't act like because we finally got it through your thick skuls that no woman deserves to be raped, that your side thought this all along. You're Johnny-come-latelys.

Had it been left to conservatives nothing would have changed. That's why you're called conservatives.

This is unfair, if for no other reason than a large portion of the population describes themselves as conservatives and an even larger portion of the population is described as conservative by others, and most have not done any of what you describe above, and many in fact fought for the opposite. When I was in High School I clerked for a Republican who introduced (and passed) the first comprehensive modren domestic assault legislation in Michigan. It would be easy to label her as a conservative, she was conservative on most issues. She also saw something that needed to be changed and had the foresight and courage to change it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by monkspider
Sorry Immerz.

Back when I first joined Apolyton Che was sort of a hero to me, a fatherly commie figure of sorts, so knowledgeable and wise. He provided a lot of inspiration for me as a commie. It just makes me sad that he would support something like feminism. It just seems makes it seem that socialists, the great bringers of freedom and enlightenment, are no better than any other political group, squabbling with their own arbitrary interests and so on, ya know? Even someone like Che going as far as suggesting that I wasn't a "real" socialist for swearing allegiance to feminism. It just sort of makes me sad.

Well then... the obvious solution is to worship me!