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  • #76
    Transcript of an Economic Forum
    Foreign Direct Investment in China: What Do We Need To Know?
    International Monetary Fund
    IMF Auditorium
    Thursday, May 2, 2002
    Washington, D.C.

    ...........

    by Markus Rodlauer, Division Chief, Asia and Pacific Department, IMF



    I'll talk briefly about the outlook for convertibility of the renminbi and the further liberalization of the capital account.

    As you all know, China has started in the late 1970s, early 1980s by opening up its foreign trade regime and foreign direct investment regime, and recently has then also opened a bit the portfolio inflows. Two recent milestones in external liberalization were the unification of the exchange rate system in 1994 and then the achievement of current account convertibility in 1996. That means today exporters or importers basically can do their transactions and get foreign exchange if they can prove they have an underlying current transaction.

    However, there still are extensive capital controls. China basically maintains these very tight controls on the capital account for several policy reasons. First, it allows scope for an independent monetary policy and at the same time keeping a stable exchange rate. Second, it limits the vulnerability to capital flow reversals. And, third, it helps to protect certain domestic industries.

    So in the current regime, as I said, FDI is fairly open, so it's a very encouraging attitude to foreign investment. But one should still remember it's very tightly regulated on an individual basis. For each deal, for each foreign investment that comes in, there are very precise conditions specified at the outset on employment, on the way of financing and how much money has to be brought in and so forth.

    Then there are the portfolio and other capital flows like loans. Those, again, are very tightly, strictly controlled, and the way the control system works is that it's segregated between domestic enterprises, domestic agents, and foreign enterprises, foreign agents.

    So, for example, in the equity markets, there are two divided markets. One is for domestic residents and domestic renminbi. You can buy and sell stocks if you're a Chinese citizen and have renminbi. This is one side of the market. The other side of the market is foreigners with foreign exchange who can buy another type of stocks. This has recently been opened up a bit. Some domestic residents now can buy foreign stocks, B market stocks, but still this principle pretty much applies to all the capital account transactions, loans and so forth.

    So while these capital controls, as I said, are fairly comprehensive from a regulatory perspective, they have proven to be not watertight. Particularly during the Asian crisis, we have seen a very large amount of disguised outflows, and you'll recall the numbers in the first table where we had about 50 billion of outflows, which really there isn't a very good explanation for. These large outflows during the Asian crisis then prompted some tightening of these controls by the authorities, and they were somewhat effective but, still, we have fairly large unexplained outflows.

    Now, where do we go from here? Should and will China further open its capital account? Clearly, there is a strong case for China to eventually open up the capital account with the ultimate goal of full convertibility. I don't think it's necessary to restate the quite well known overall benefits of convertibility. In one way, it's unavoidable. Every advanced economy today has an open capital account, and, specifically what's in there for China, clearly it would provide access to cheaper financing, new technologies, and for individual Chinese agents, access to much more diversified and risk-balanced portfolios; and in the end it would result in higher investment and higher growth. And also given the difficulties of actually keeping capital controls in place effectively, it is in the end, in the long run, inevitable, particularly since, as Nick has explained, WTO now has created concrete commitments of the authorities to integrate the financial sector much more.

    Now, one could conceivably think that these financial sectors could become integrated but still keeping capital controls. But the more you integrate in the real side and have businesses coming in and out, the more pressure there will be to actually allow also a freer flow of capital. So, in the end, I think it will become inevitable, and it is, I think, a very appropriate long-term goal. And it is, therefore, not surprising, and appropriate, that China itself has stated explicitly and set itself these goals, this long-term goal.

    While the benefits are very well known of capital account liberalization, so are, of course, the risks. Capital account liberalization affects financial stability through two main interrelated channels. On the one hand, there is the risk of overheating from very large capital inflows, and, on the second part, on a more micro level, opening up the capital account to free flows of capital across borders really allows excessive risk taking by individual enterprises, and especially banks. And so that from the micro level, it fosters, because of the well-known problem of asymmetric information, the risks that banks just go overboard and assume excessive risk and excessive liabilities.

    These conditions raise the risk of sudden reversals of these capital flows, which could then lead to external payments crises and, therefore, large output losses and welfare losses.

    A third risk which we have learned in recent years also is that initial shocks in one country to one economy, to one financial system, can be transmitted and spread much more easily to other countries through the so-called contagion effect if you have an open capital account.

    Now, the Chinese authorities, of course, are very well aware of this risk and have, therefore, chosen a very deliberate and a very gradual path of capital account liberalization. And the authorities—when you ask them why is it that you keep your capital account still under control, what they mostly mention very specifically is that until their enterprises and their banks are reformed and have tight budget constraints and behave in a commercial manner, they are afraid that you would just have excessive borrowing, huge excessive borrowing, like we have had in many other transition economies, where increased latitude for enterprises and banks to make economic decisions without having the commercial orientation, the tight budget constraints, leads to huge excessive borrowing and, therefore, instability. And the second reason they mention is that their still fairly narrow capital markets could lead to very large volatility if you have uncontrolled flows across the border.

    So how then to go about capital account liberalization? Well, two broad lessons from the country experience in recent years we have drawn is that those countries that have avoided crises are those that have strong macroeconomic policies and those that have a strong financial system. For China, on the macro side, I think they rank very well on one of three items, which is the external position. It's very, very strong as we know. But there are two other issues that are still to be resolved. One is you need to have sustainable public finances, which in China is still something to work on given the problems in the enterprises and in the banks. And then also the choice of the exchange rate regime, the more you open up your capital account, the more it will be necessary to have a flexible exchange rate system. And also given the very large structural changes underway in the economy, our advice has been in recent years increasingly that at some point China will have to move from its currently fixed exchange rate or very stable exchange rate system to greater flexibility gradually.

    So on the macro side, there is still some work to do on the public finances and on the exchange rate and monetary policy side. In the banking and SOE side,—certainly it's key to rehabilitate the state-owned enterprises and the state-owned banks before you can think of substantially further opening up the capital account. You need a strong prudential system to contain excessive risk taking, and you need good accounting, auditing, disclosure standards to allow information to be transmitted to the markets, as well supervisors.

    So, there is a large work program ahead to be able to reach this ultimate goal of convertibility, but I'd like to emphasize another point here, too. Our experience has been that opening up and liberalization is a very complex and interrelated enterprise. And while full liberalization has to come, of course, at the later stages, one cannot really wait with individual opening up until everything is perfect. Market reforms, as I said, are inter-dependent. For example, markets will not develop at all unless you open up a bit. So one has to do many of these things in tandem and gradually at the same time, which necessarily creates uncertainties and is certainly a volatile enterprise. But one has to start somewhere, and then the key is, of course, to monitor very closely, very carefully, and to be very flexible along the way and implement carefully.

    China I think has got it quite right from the beginning in terms of the sequencing of what flows to open first and what last. It started with FDI. It then went over to portfolio equity flows in the stock market, and other debt-creating flows, particularly in the short end, should come last.

    So, in conclusion, maybe three points. One is convertibility certainly is a valid long-term goal, and the authorities have adopted it. However, it needs to be very carefully phased in and supported by reforms and appropriate macro policies. It is, however, an inevitable process that will come, and certainly WTO accession has provided further impetus both for the actual integration of China's economy to the rest of the world, for the further opening of the capital account, and for all the necessary supporting reforms.

    Thank you.
    If convertibility of the Renminbi is certainly a valid longterm goal, that implies that the Renminbi is not convertible right now.

    Until I am told the contrary, of course ...
    Statistical anomaly.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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    • #77
      This one is another head banger.
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      • #78
        I'll get right down to the basics.

        When two countries trade the currencies of both countries are needed to finance the trade, because the producers of the goods and services must me compensated. The supply and demand of the currencies determine the exchange rate of the two currencies. I've already given the determinants of demand and supply for currency in a previous post. One of the determinants is the amount of imports and exports between the two countries. When the supply and demand for foreign produced goods changes the exchange rate will change, because of a shortage of one currency and a surplus of the other currency. There is no possible way for the same amount of the currency in shortage to finance an increase in exports unless more of the currency is supplied because the price of the exports increases in terms of the currency in surplus. The central bank can not just say the exchange rate will be such and such and make it so. It's a matter of having proper amount of currency to finance the increase in exportation. They have to FIX the exchange rate as the trade changes. Is that clear now?
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        • #79
          I have no doubt that the system you describe is just perfect in Kidiland, but I am not interested in it, but in the Chinese one.
          Statistical anomaly.
          The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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          • #80
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DAVOUT
              I have no doubt that the system you describe is just perfect in Kidiland, but I am not interested in it, but in the Chinese one.
              It's up to you to figure out how the same amount of Yuan can finance a larger trade surplus given a constant supply of dollars and a constant exchange rate. Take it upon yourself. Look over my last post over and over again if you truly want to understand it. It's simply not possible to finance more exports with the same amount of currency when all other things are held constant. The Chinese can't do it and you can't explain how they would do it. The burden is with you. I have given you plenty of evidence to prove you are misunderstanding the very basics of international finance.

              Oh by the way, are you ready to give me your theory of the business cycle?
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              • #82
                Oh, and that's not Kidiland. It's basic international finance. If you don't understand it you have no business discussing the subject. Go take a course instead of insulting people who are giving you information that you can't understand.
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                • #83
                  Here are a couple of articles about this discussion from FT, neither of which appear to favor revaluation or flotation. The first article brings up potential moves short of revaluation. This includes opening more domestic markets to foreign competition. This seems like good sense to me, although I have no way of quantifying whether that would have much impact.



                  Here's one that is a little less solid. Among the points is that China covers the US current account deficit by buying US securities with all the dollars that they have and that this supports the bond markets. Of course, this is true, but wouldn't it be better to not have the current account deficit in the first place?

                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Kidicious
                    Oh, and that's not Kidiland. It's basic international finance. If you don't understand it you have no business discussing the subject. Go take a course instead of insulting people who are giving you information that you can't understand.
                    Kidiland is a place where the RMB is convertible and floating, and where a US citizen like you can buy RMB against dollars.

                    On my planet, the RMB is not convertible and my bank will reject any order to buy RMB against dollars.

                    Btw, Kidiland (copyright DAVOUT 2003) is not an insult.
                    Statistical anomaly.
                    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      Here are a couple of articles about this discussion from FT, neither of which appear to favor revaluation or flotation. The first article brings up potential moves short of revaluation. This includes opening more domestic markets to foreign competition. This seems like good sense to me, although I have no way of quantifying whether that would have much impact.



                      Here's one that is a little less solid. Among the points is that China covers the US current account deficit by buying US securities with all the dollars that they have and that this supports the bond markets. Of course, this is true, but wouldn't it be better to not have the current account deficit in the first place?

                      http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentSe...=1012571727092
                      An interesting point is the comparison with Japan. Japan was also accused in the past of dumping through an underevalueted Yen. And I cant help to think that their enormous bank loans turned into bad debts was a form of dumping since the reimbursment charge of these loans was not included in the cost of their exports. We have to take care that the Chinese dont do the same or similar trick.

                      Presently the extremely low salaries in China can explain their competitivity advantage, and the US industry gave up the fight in many areas, or even initiated the delocalization of jobs (is not Nike who invented the company-without-factory concept?).
                      The current account deficit is perverse in that it never degenerates in a balance of payments deficit because dollars always come back to the US.
                      Statistical anomaly.
                      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by DAVOUT


                        Kidiland is a place where the RMB is convertible and floating, and where a US citizen like you can buy RMB against dollars.

                        On my planet, the RMB is not convertible and my bank will reject any order to buy RMB against dollars.

                        Btw, Kidiland (copyright DAVOUT 2003) is not an insult.
                        I'm not arguing with you about whether you can buy and sell RMB. Just that the Chinese are buying dollars. Maybe they have some way of making sure that the only people who buy their currency are promising not to trade it, but to use it for exporting/importing their goods. I don't know that. What I do know is that the producers of the Chinese exports recieve yuan in compensation for those exports. Their compensation depends on the supply and demand for dollars and yuan, not what the BoC says it is. THEY NEED ACTUAL YUAN! That is the way economics works. I'm talking about the very basic fundamental here.
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                        • #87
                          Read this. Understand it. No more insults next time please.

                          Forex Market: China Yuan Weakened Slightly

                          Forex Market: China Yuan Weakened Slightly

                          China's yuan eased two notches to 8.2774 against the US dollar yesterday as importers stepped up buying of the hard currency, dealers said.

                          The yuan remained stifled in a tight range of 8.2772 to 8.2775. Turnover, a thin US$380 million on Tuesday, was not immediately available.


                          "There was some dollar buying from importers late in today's session which drove the yuan slightly lower," said a Chinese bank dealer, adding that most deals were seen around 8.2772 and 8.2773.


                          Dealers said the yuan was likely to hover between 8.2770 and 8.2775 in the short run, near the strong end of a government-set trading box of 8.2760 to 8.2800, buoyed by ample dollar supply after a persistent trade surplus over the past few years.


                          Central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan has said the government would keep the yuan's exchange rate stable, although officials from the United States, Japan and South Korea have said the currency is being kept artificially low.


                          Yesterday, the yuan weakened against the Japanese currency to 6.9021 per 100 yen from 6.8933, and softened to 8.8997 against the euro from 8.8181.


                          (China Daily April 10, 2003)

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Kidicious
                            Read this. Understand it. No more insults next time please.

                            Forex Market: China Yuan Weakened Slightly

                            Range of the transactions:
                            8,2772 8,2775 -0,0003 -0,003624414%
                            The spread is 4/100000, the upper limit being exactly in the middle of the official box.

                            Range of most of the transactions:
                            8,2772 8,2773 -0,0001 -0,001208138%
                            The spread is 1/100000.

                            Anticipated range :
                            8,277 8,2775 -0,0005 -0,006040836%
                            The anticipated spread is 6/100000

                            Official range :
                            8,276 8,28 -0,0040 -0,048332528%
                            The official spread is 5/10000

                            In the real world economy, all those range are to small to be of any use; the accuracy of economic anticipation will not be changed if we take the middle of the box or the upper or lower limit.

                            In the real world finance, I have not yet met a trader interested in winning 6$ on a transaction amounting to 100000$.

                            This only confirm that the BoC keeps a iron hand on the rate of the RMB.

                            Thank you for the data.

                            NB : No possible insult in the above.
                            Statistical anomaly.
                            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by DAVOUT
                              This only confirm that the BoC keeps a iron hand on the rate of the RMB.
                              Of course they do. No one is arguing that they don't. That's called a peg.
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                              • #90
                                btw, I can buy yuan online.
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