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  • #46
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Conservative answers Iraq criticism

    Originally posted by Cruddy


    How many Raytheon shares have you got then?

    I find it hiliarious that people can talk up the US defence budget without considering who the winners are of such actions.

    It sure isn't the enlisted people.
    why is enlistment mandatory? or is it voluntary? why do u think they don't win? because someone is rich means that people who aren't are losers? or by definition can not do things willingly(like join the military). to help themselves succeed?

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    • #47
      The article does a fine job at provinding the convinced with "proof" they want.
      If you don't like reality, change it! me
      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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      • #48
        Do you know anything about the Ibn Saud? Iraq has way more military heft than the Saudis. They needed a protector. They weren't too crazy about the Iranians either.
        In 2000, Saudi Arabia spent more on defense than Israel, France, India, Germany, Brazil, Iran, Italy or South Korea. They ranked sixth in the world. Iraq spent a pittance.

        source

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Sandman


          In 2000, Saudi Arabia spent more on defense than Israel, France, India, Germany, Brazil, Iran, Italy or South Korea. They ranked sixth in the world. Iraq spent a pittance.

          source
          Well that is irreleavant. What is important is the threat that their forces pose. SA is well-renowned for spending lots of money on snazzy planes and having a crappy army. Stop thinking like a civ player.

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          • #50
            I bet their army was still a helluva lot better than Iraq's though.

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            • #51
              lol

              A new phrase in the right wing's vocabulary of rhetoric

              'stop thinking like a civ player'

              Scene: Head to head TV debate during presidential campaign

              Democratic Challenger: Could Mr Bush tell me why the US needed to defend Saudi Arabia by attacking Iraq

              George Bush: I FIND IT INBELIEVEABLE THAT YOU WOULD MAKE SUCH A COMMENT...STOP THINKING LIKE A CIV PLAYER!

              *rapturous applause*

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Gibsie
                I bet their army was still a helluva lot better than Iraq's though.
                Definitely not in 92.

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                • #53
                  I thought we were talking about the recent conflict, not the original Gulf War. I think the reference to the year 2000 threw me off.

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                  • #54
                    Well that is irreleavant. What is important is the threat that their forces pose. SA is well-renowned for spending lots of money on snazzy planes and having a crappy army. Stop thinking like a civ player.
                    It could hardly be crappier than Iraq's, unless having advanced American equipment and training is a disadvantage these days.

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                    • #55
                      civ-weeny

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                      • #56
                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Conservative answers Iraq criticism

                        Originally posted by TCO


                        Don't let it worry your head. Like I said, it's not your country.
                        Oh, it doesn't bother me. I just like to tell people facts that others are a bit lean with - and the reasons why people are "economical with the truth".

                        Anyway, if the US military plays home, nobody is fussed. It's when they play away the world holds it's breath.
                        Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
                        "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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                        • #57
                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Conservative answers Iraq criticism

                          Originally posted by yavoon


                          why is enlistment mandatory?
                          It isn't, as you well know.

                          Originally posted by yavoon
                          or is it voluntary?
                          It is, as you well know. What's your subject, "obvious facts"?
                          Originally posted by yavoon
                          why do u think they don't win?
                          Because they risk their lives for a pittance, a pat on the back and - if they survive - an education leading to a pension. Sounds like a sh1tty deal to me, compared to the shareholder class who never risk their lives, never enter a combat zone, and are most likely to die of an obesity related illness.

                          Originally posted by yavoon
                          because someone is rich means that people who aren't are losers?
                          No. Those are your words, not mine. However, the enlisted people are clearly not onto as good a deal as the corporate shareholders. It's not a winners/losers relationship - but one side is clearly onto a massively better thing than the other.

                          Originally posted by yavoon
                          or by definition can not do things willingly(like join the military). to help themselves succeed?
                          As I said earlier in the same post, I am not dissing the US military. You seem to have a partial blindness for posts.

                          If you want to promote the military's successes and achievement programs, that's fine by me.

                          HOWEVER, don't you dare bang on about defence spending without highlighting who gets the biggest slice for the least amount of effort.
                          Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
                          "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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                          • #58
                            You are aptly named.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by TCO
                              You are aptly named.
                              Maybe you shoud look up origin of word "apt" before saying that.

                              Run out of arguments have we? Resorted to name calling in the hope that volume defeats a reasoned argument?
                              Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
                              "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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                              • #60
                                If you kick my ass, I'll let you know. So far I'm underwhelmed.

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