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  • #46
    Originally posted by Boddington's


    And you wonder why people go on about being made to feel like foreigners in their own country?
    Bodds - go check the land registry and other places as to who actually owns real estate.

    It hasn't been "my" country for centuries.

    Wassamatter? Mancs pride themselves on being Mancs, and while I respect their football teams, isn't it the Brit way to poke fun at the high and mighty?
    Some cry `Allah O Akbar` in the street. And some carry Allah in their heart.
    "The CIA does nothing, says nothing, allows nothing, unless its own interests are served. They are the biggest assembly of liars and theives this country ever put under one roof and they are an abomination" Deputy COS (Intel) US Army 1981-84

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    • #47
      isn't it the Brit way to poke fun at the high and mighty?
      Yeah, but we'd prefer they actually understood what we were saying..
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      • #48
        He can speak English, just not very well.

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        • #49
          If the guy can do the job, and presumably his ethnicity is an asset in his region, then I dont see why not. The party should pay for a translator, but in terms of a guy performing a function, then I dont see the problem. In terms of the cost of a translator, its hardly a big issue though, imo the party should pay but there is an argument for the council to provide the means by which he can communicate to do his job, a service provided that would outweigh the costs (I use the arguments for AI government as a guide for that).

          As far as the local politic is concerned, he had enough votes, thus he was elected into this position. Full stop. Him not being able to speak English should be as much an impediment to him as walking around a campus is to Steven Hawking! The ethnicity of the voting public is irrelevant, and to the point that it is, his characteristics are more of an advantage.
          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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          • #50
            And you wonder why people go on about being made to feel like foreigners in their own country?
            I suggest that this is either you, or a very insecure minority who cling onto fallacious notions of nationhood and patriotism that in England of all places, is entirely irrelevant.
            "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
            "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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            • #51
              "his characteristics are more of an advantage"

              So it would be worse for a white person to be elected in an area of 58% British?

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              • #52
                I want the best for my country. It's quite obvious you do not.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Boddington's
                  And you wonder why people go on about being made to feel like foreigners in their own country?
                  Yeah, the way people complain about those British-born British citizens of Asian descent is really disgraceful, isn't it? They shouldn't be made to feel like foreigners in their own country.
                  If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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                  • #54
                    So it would be worse for a white person to be elected in an area of 58% British?
                    If the average proportion of the entire population was 58% "native" British and 42% Asian, then both would be equally advantageous. However, that is not the case, so a potential difference is created between the rest of the nation, and this pocket of high numbers of asians. As such, in this more concentrated area, issues of race for this minority would be more important, thus this man is in a better position.
                    "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                    "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                    • #55
                      I want the best for my country. It's quite obvious you do not.
                      On that contrary, what is best for my country is higher immigration (with better integration). What is best for the "white race" is what you purport.

                      FP: Agreed, if you have British citizenship, then you are British to me.
                      "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                      "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                      • #56
                        "issues of race for this minority would be more important..."

                        So they are racist and using their race as a basis on which to form decisions?
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                        • #57
                          "On that contrary, what is best for my country is higher immigration (with better integration)."

                          Higher immigration up to what point? Surely you have to agree that there has to be a defined limit.

                          Once you agree with this, our only disagreement is about the degree of immigration not it iself.

                          Please explain how you would produce better integration. Very few nations manage it.
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                          • #58
                            So they are racist and using their race as a basis on which to form decisions?
                            Not at all, it means that this councillor is in a better position to communicate, and comprehend problems in a community with such a high recent immigrant community better than his (like for like) white counterpart. On the other side of the same coin, he may well be taken more seriously by that community. Decisions would not be taken on the basis of race, that is wrong in any circumstance in this context, but rather, taken on the basis of problems, whose root cause may be race, but then, our government does no different.
                            "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                            "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Boddington's
                              Very few nations manage it.
                              Which nations do manage it then?
                              (this is a genuine question, I'm not being a smartass this time )
                              If I'm posting here then Counterglow must be down.

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                              • #60
                                Higher immigration up to what point? Surely you have to agree that there has to be a defined limit
                                Of course, but if the government wasn't cocking everything up, and also removing the barrier for work, we can take in a whole lot more than we currently are. The key thing though is allowing these people to work, if we keep the status quo, then it works out worse for everyone.

                                Please explain how you would produce better integration. Very few nations manage it
                                Very true, you are asking a question I find hard to answer as an idealist, I spend more time contemplating larger problems than actually doing anything useful (so I'm told ). A good idea would be more even distribution, sending them to live in more affluent places than currently, allowing them to work, and also making an effort to change perception of asylum seekers/immigrant among "native" britons. In my limited experience with some of the people in Northampton, the resentment seems to be formed on the basis of misunderstanding, and our simple minded "jumping on the bandwagon" of patriotism. Better education would seem to be the solution. In the short term, like I said, redistribute them more sensibly, avoiding working class areas where resentment may be greatest for economic reasons.
                                "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
                                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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