The UN is becoming more stupid by the day.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Sandman
Truly sparkling counter-argument there, Yavoon.

which part of it wasn't true? its pretty obvious if u ask me. who guards taiwan? who arms israel? who tries to twist north koreas arm? the list gets pretty lengthy.

how many carriers does the UN have? how many forward deployed troops? how often have they responded quickly in force?

the UN doesn't have the capability, the will or the history to be vital to the security of the globe. so its not hard to call u out when u say silly **** like that.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by The Templar


It's not "the UN", it's all those countries that we pissed off voting against us. And given our record on human rights (the Native Americans, among the last 3 countries to end slavery, Jim Crow, the death penalty, and so on) I can see why other countries might be just a little suspicious of us.

And now with Bush cooperating with every little tinhorn dictator in all these little ****youastans and pushing Christian fanatic reproductive mores on NGOs, why the hell should they listen to us when we pay lip service to human rights?

Still, they could have filled the commission with nations that actually do care about human rights.

comparing modern day america's human rights record with that of countries like china, zimbabwe and libya is just stupid (that slavery thing is also wrong btw).

yes it certainly would be nice if the commission had nations which actually repected human rights on it, but because of the attitude which many of the of the nations who make these kind of idiotic decisions, that will never happen. because to them, having an anti-american country is more important than a having one that respects human rights.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by yavoon
who arms israel?

The French!

[The Templar]

Originally posted by C0ckney


comparing modern day america's human rights record with that of countries like china, zimbabwe and libya is just stupid (that slavery thing is also wrong btw).

Ask a Native American (if you can find one) about that. Ask someone in the South Bronx (pardon me Downtown Bronx) about the friendly policepeople down there. But sure, the US is better than the worst HR offenders (kind of a left-handed compliment if you ask me).

BTW Cuba and Brazil were the only two countries that still had slavery at the time (1863 CE) that we abolished it.

yes it certainly would be nice if the commission had nations which actually repected human rights on it, but because of the attitude which many of the of the nations who make these kind of idiotic decisions, that will never happen. because to them, having an anti-american country is more important than a having one that respects human rights.

If that's the case, then it is incumbent on us not to piss off these other countries so that actual HR work can be done..

[The Templar]

Originally posted by yavoon


which part of it wasn't true? its pretty obvious if u ask me. who guards taiwan? who arms israel? who tries to twist north koreas arm? the list gets pretty lengthy.

Of course, Taiwan got kicked out of the UN in part because we withdrew recognition. Great, we give Israel F-16s with which to bomb apartment buildings. And we've done a bang up job with the N. Koreans.

Were you trying to make a point in favor of the US?

how many carriers does the UN have? how many forward deployed troops? how often have they responded quickly in force?

the UN doesn't have the capability, the will or the history to be vital to the security of the globe. so its not hard to call u out when u say silly **** like that.

My, we are being a bit disingenous here aren't we? Are you saying the UN should have a giant independent military with all the latest and best technology? And if you don't think they should, then why are you faulting them for not having their own army.

[C0ckney]

well of course, no country is perfect, but america has a far better human rights record than most other countries in the world.

cuba and brasil had slavery in 1863 (as you said), as did turkey, and christ knows how many minor arab states in both arabia and east africa, despite our best efforts to stop that trade. sudan still has salvery to this day

i don't agree that it should be up to america, the commission is about human rights, it should be left to deal with that issue, rather than be used for pointless political games.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by The Templar


Ask a Native American (if you can find one) about that.

My wife is part Native American and has no earthly clue what your grousing about. There were myriads of abuses in the 19th century but it is hardly fair to claim that they are somehow indicative of human rights in the US today.

But sure, the US is better than the worst HR offenders (kind of a left-handed compliment if you ask me).

Are you some sort of purist of something? What country hasn't committed HR abuses at some point in its history?

BTW Cuba and Brazil were the only two countries that still had slavery at the time (1863 CE) that we abolished it.

140 years ago dude. Get over it, already.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by The Templar


Of course, Taiwan got kicked out of the UN in part because we withdrew recognition. Great, we give Israel F-16s with which to bomb apartment buildings. And we've done a bang up job with the N. Koreans.

Were you trying to make a point in favor of the US?



My, we are being a bit disingenous here aren't we? Are you saying the UN should have a giant independent military with all the latest and best technology? And if you don't think they should, then why are you faulting them for not having their own army.

what an inane argument. disagreeing with US policies doesn't diminish its role in global security.

my point is that someone said the UN was vital to global security and they just aren't. its that damn simple. the US is vital to global security.

[Shi Huangdi]

Libya is certainly a gross violator of human rights, it is Jamahariyah(hard line Islamic fundamentalist)

[OliverFA]

Re: The UN is becoming more stupid by the day.

Originally posted by Oerdin
So know we have dictators using the UN to officially censor news groups which point out repressive human rights violations around the world. Isn’t the UN just a wonderful organization?

I think the UN is a very useful organization. You can always use it as a sample of how NOT to do things

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by The Templar


Anti-semetic? Huh? How so?

From http://www.unisevil.com

The United Nation's War Against Israel
In the United Nation's General Assembly, 429 anti-Israel resolutions were passed from 1967 to 1988. Israel was "condemned" 321 times.[...]

[Cruddy]

Can't see why peope are so upset about this.

If you don't like a democratic decision - bugger off to North Korea and leave us in peace.

Gaddaffi's gone to great lengths to distance himself from his position in the 80s... I don't see a little recognition of that fact hurting anyone.

Mind you, with that individual, he's never the same within a 5 minute space of time... but just keep an eye on him rather than ignoring a few facts, eh?

[Japher]

It is encouraging misinformed democractic decisions... at least that what happens when you aren't aloud to look for the truth...IIRC

[TCO]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu

Where do you base this opinion?


In my eyes, he seems to have finally "grown up" and stopped it. Am I wrong?

This doesn't change the fact that the decision wasn't serving it's original purpose. US is making UN pretty obsolote so they try to annoy them as much as they can before they're finally forgotten.

THe US bombing raid helped him grow up. Not some nice handholding from Old Europe.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Tuomerehu

You do realise that the state in which United Nations is now is largely the fault of US politics in 80's, 90's and 21st century, right?

Yes...everything is the US's fault. Too bad we won WW2 and the Cold War. Not much help from accomodationalist Finland.