Stretched in Iraq, US may return to UN

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kramerman
post a pic serb

As you wish.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
They ruined it! You and Fez ****ed it up long before they got here.

I just made a comment that M16 sucks.

[Drake Tungsten]

Imagine Serb posting a picture involving oral sex on President Bush. Do you wish you were the turkey?

[Serb]

I'm using a "hit and run" trolls now. So, I'm log-off.

[Drake Tungsten]

You're learning.

[Master Zen]

Threads like these are the reason I hardly post in the OT anyomore...

[Drake Tungsten]

Threads like these are the reason I hardly post in the OT anyomore...

Afraid you'll crack under temptation and succumb to the wonders of gaiety?

[FrustratedPoet]

Well, I don't care what anyone says, but I think that the US coming crawling to the UN to clear up their mess is pretty silly.

[DinoDoc]

Why?

/me is estatic someone remembers the original topic

[Ming]

Originally posted by Serb
Perhaps I should change my tactics to "hit and run" trolls.

No... maybe you should change your tactics... be civil, don't use foreign languages and don't swear...

See ya in a week.

People need to chill... and stay on topic, or a few people are going to join Serb.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why?

* DinoDoc is estatic someone remembers the original topic

Hmm... let's see first it flaunts the UN and does its own way unilaterally, and then wants it's support for that dirty and boring thing called "nation building"....

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Hmm... let's see first it flaunts the UN and does its own way unilaterally, and then wants it's support for that dirty and boring thing called "nation building"....

Hmmm...flaunting the UN? I thought that it was the UN flaunting its own resolution.

Hmmm...I thought UN passed a new resolution legitimizing current US/UK stewardship in Iraq?

Hmmm...I thought many UN countries had been clamoring for more UN involvement.

Hmmm...I thought everybody used to say the problem was that the UN was not involved enough.

Hmmm...Maybe some people just want to bash US no matter what they do.

[Ecthy]

Did the war on terror end when the Iraqis planebombed New York?

- blatant Animal House ripoff

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


Hmmm...flaunting the UN? I thought that it was the UN flaunting its own resolution.

Hmmm...I thought UN passed a new resolution legitimizing current US/UK stewardship in Iraq?

Hmmm...I thought many UN countries had been clamoring for more UN involvement.

Hmmm...I thought everybody used to say the problem was that the UN was not involved enough.

Hmmm...Maybe some people just want to bash US no matter what they do.

or maybe US/UK forced the UN to pass a resolution to legitimize current stewardship

or maybe UN countries are UK and US too that should agree first and act later, and Imagine how US would react if China decided to invade Taiwan... or similar...

and maybe the US wants to bash the people no matter what they do

[Master Zen]

The UN did not flaunt it's own resolution. I've already argued a million times that the wording of the last resolution did not imply impending miltiary action but would require a further resolution authorizing such (yes diplomatic wording is a bit "special").

The US at the time of the attack on Iraq had not legitimized such military action. Thus, saying that a new resolution legitimized it now is accepting that at the moment that attack was illegal and was only legalized afterwards.

The UN is not involved enough because of the way the UN is structured: i.e. the monopoly of the veto-wielding countries of the Security Council. If you want the UN to work, keep all countries as equal but that won't happen because the veto-powers won't allow that power to be taken away from them. Thus, unfortunately, the UN will never be truly independent until this happens. Ironically it is countries like the US which blast the UN for not having enough power, but it is the same countries which would never allow losing these privileges which have allowed them to reject countless worthy resolutions during the last decades.

It's not that some people just want to bash the US, it's that the US seemingly will not do what the world wants. To see that the #1 follower of liberty and democracy do as it pleases in the world stage is the utmost in hypocrecy. Liberty at home, iron fist everywhere else.