four more years! four more years!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Azazel
afaik, polls show support at 53 percent. Is that considered high?

Might be enough to win if the election was today, but it has dropped tremendously and hardly anyone even knows who the challengers are.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Jesus people, you basically ran out all those who were having (except for a few rants) a rather good discussion, and turned it into a pissing contest over one of the most stupid things I have yet to read on these forums. I used to think the liberals I argue against were the most ignorant people around. I stand corrected.

You both seem to agree that you are adults, so how about after this post we just don't here anything else from either of you. Unless is is OT

The simple procedure for reasonable folks who like to have reasonable discussions that stay OT is to hit that complaint button when the thread starts to go off course. That way we can clean it up before it gets out of hand. When the first complaint I see is someone whining about someone else's signature, and the off the topic pissing match is already going full bore, then it's a little late.

At this point, talking about Bush's reelection chances is absurdly premature, even if Bush had support numbers in the Gray Davis range. There is no recall, so you have the full 16 months to go, which is virtual eternity in electoral politics. You'd be hard pressed to make intelligent predictions six months from now, and you're on pretty shaky ground right up until next summer, at least.

[Kidlicious]

I got a good laugh out of the cartoon. Bush is trying to campaign, but the guys think he means they will be there for 4 more years.

[gopher]

Springer for Senate!

Edit: Jerry! Jerry!

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Bieng one of those serviceman, you are hard pressed to find any who think Bush's war policy is wrong.

Currently serving, or former?

We all knew we would be there longer than he said because we know how this works, the comments were for civilian armchair generals who think everything is life is easy and free.

Actually, they're called taxpayers, and we/they foot the bills. We/they also deal with the results of overcommitment of forces, excessive focus on threats of limited immediate potential (i.e. Iraq should come behind the DPRK)

If we doing the dying can handle the casualties (not that we like it, but some things are worth dying for, and if you are not in the service don't bother adding your two cents to that comment because you have no right to. No matter how much you think you do trunst me you don't. Free speech says you can say what you want, not that you should) so can you. If we think Bush is handling things IN THIS ASSPECT of his presidency well, then you should take our enlightended word for it.

Maybe you're an O9 in CentCom, or work at ISE-McPherson, so you have a more enlightened view, but the average 11-Bravo, 11-Mike, 12-Bravo, 33, etc. on the ground has a worm's eye view at best.

You actually attacked Bush for personally going to a returning ship to welcome the boys home and give them a job well done.

On the drive home, I can generally see returning CV's when they're flying off planes and getting ready to come into port at North Island. They don't normally hang around within sight of shore (or at least elevated points on the Mexican side, so they weren't readily visible from Mt. Soledad or elevated shoreline sites in San Diego) for 3-4 days to handle all their pre-docking stuff. It's usually about 2 days, tops.

Bush could have "welcomed the boys home" in any number of ways, in any number of places, far less obtrusive (and delaying of family reunions, etc.) than a stunt landing on a carrier deck, to use it as the backdrop for a political speech. If Bush's daddy had done it, it would at least have a tinge more credibility, Bush sr. earned naval aviator's wings, but if Bush's real goal was to welcome the troops, he had dozens of other opportunities which presented at least less nominal risk to the Commander in Chief, which cost less taxpayer money, and which were less promoted as publicity seeking stunts. It's not as low as Clinton going to Walter Reed to try to get photo-ops with wounded Rangers, I'll hand you that, but it's still not particularly appropriate top-level leadership.

Because of course the leader of the nation and our Commander and Chief has no buisness doing that, right?

Considering the cost of carrier flight ops, the cost of getting the President to the opposite coast with his entourage and both security and secure Comms/CP, etc., while the budget is ass over teakettle and people are out of jobs, Bush could pick more appropriate leadership style.

That in itself is why the Bush will win, because all his opponents have a nasty habit of shooting themselves in the head.

They do that, but Bush has an as-yet untapped ability to screw up as well. The rough, tough, Sheriff George act will only take him so far. Let's see how those deficit and employment numbers shape up with the "the world is a safer place because I dusted Saddam" rhetoric.

[MichaeltheGreat]

BTW, for those wondering where two posts went, threadjack time is over.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
BTW, for those wondering where two posts went, threadjack time is over.

[Ming]

OH... I see MtG is already on the scene... never mind me

[Giancarlo]

That really hurt. I put a lot of time into that post. At least you could sent it to me via private message so I could of continued it with Evil in private messaging.

[Ming]

Stop your whining... MtG doesn't like whiners... and neither do I...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ming
Stop your whining... MtG doesn't like whiners... and neither do I...

Ban them all and let God sort it out.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ming
Stop your whining... MtG doesn't like whiners... and neither do I...

Well I am not whining, just upset as I really did put a lot of work into that post.

[Sava]

@ this thread...

good points MtG... this is a Democracy, and it's a shame to see someone who claims to be in the Armed Forces protesting against the public's right to challenge the president's policy. Patrokolos has apparantly forgotten what he's fighting for (or claims to be fighting for).

But I agree, it's too early to call the election. That's why we can only discuss current approval numbers and how current presidential hopefuls are doing. It's dangerous to even predict the outcome up until the day before the election... anyone remember, "Dewey Defeats Truman"?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Fez
That really hurt. I put a lot of time into that post. At least you could sent it to me via private message so I could of continued it with Evil in private messaging.

I didn't ban you for a week in addition, did I, ingrate?

What you do, is sit down, shut up, and don't move until I forget you exist. What you do not do is continue to say/do anything that will make me continue to notice you.

If you reply to this in any way, it will be clear you need further education. If you do not reply to this in any way, and I'm not otherwise reminded of your existence for the rest of the evening, then it will be clear we finally understand each other.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dissident
but the democrats threw away all the military votes- most of whom voted for Bush

Actually, they didn't. As soon as the Republicans started bleating about how the Dem's were trying to take away military votes, the Dem's stopped challenging the thousands of illegal absentee ballots that were coming in after the election. They were neither signed, nor witnessed, nor were they post-marked before the election. They never should have been counted. This is another place where the Republicans broke the law and the Democrats let them.

Meanwhile, 90,000 legal voters were declared ineligible by Bush, simply because they shared some data in common with a felon, including some for crimes that were aparently committed in the future.

There was nothing fair and square about it. I got stamped with the approval of SCOTUS and Congress, so it's legal, but it sure as hell shouldn't have been.