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  • #31
    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

    My stats are from the Anti-Defamation League, not the FBI. Are you saying you don't trust a Jewish defense league to report hate crimes against Jews?
    And I referred to the FBI stats. Any problem there? Ah yes, sources:

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    http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4243_12.asp


    The Audit identifies both criminal and non-criminal acts of harassment and intimidation, including distribution of hate propaganda, threats and slurs. Compiled using official crime statistics, as well as information provided to ADL's 30 regional offices by victims, law enforcement officers and community leaders...
    While they have additional sources, I doubt they can get much information from their regional offices etc, unless the case has a high profile like this:

    What was so disturbing about the way law enforcement handled the Los Angeles airport case was not the hesitancy to quickly call the murders terrorism or a hate crime, but the statements they made unnecessarily that there was no evidence that the attack was a hate crime.
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    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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    • #32
      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      If you're anti-Israeli and not anti-semetic, why would you attack random Jews on the street as described in the article?
      Because those young people do not even know what anti-semitism is, that is hating people just because they exist. They identify themselves as the brothers of the Palestinians, and they identify the Jews as the enemis of the Palestinians; therefore, they believe that they have a reason to hate the Jews seen as the enemies of their brothers. This is not racism.
      Statistical anomaly.
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sandman
        The article is simply more hysterical French-bashing, with the Jews as the convenient pawn.

        Odd then that it would be published in the generally liberal and multilateralist Washington Post.

        Which definitely covers hate crimes in the US, whether involving Jews, Blacks, gays, etc.

        One of the problems was that for some time France attempted to avoid even reporting these as hatecrimes.

        I note that the French Jewish community finds this a major problem, and that emigration from France to Israel has notably picked up - extraordinary to see a significant migration to Israel from a wealthy, Western country.

        And has hersh has pointed out, the French govt FINALLY also sees this as a major problem.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          If you're anti-Israeli and not anti-semetic, why would you attack random Jews on the street as described in the article?
          Indeed. Attacking random jews because of anger over Israel is antisemitism. What else?
          “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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          • #35
            While they have additional sources, I doubt they can get much information from their regional offices etc, unless the case has a high profile like this


            Why would you doubt the ability of the regional offices to gain information? If I'm a Jew who has just been harassed, the ADL is the first place I would call.

            This is not racism.


            Yes it is. Hating an entire ethnic group because of the actions of some members of that group is racism, plain and simple.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by DAVOUT

              Because those young people do not even know what anti-semitism is, that is hating people just because they exist. They identify themselves as the brothers of the Palestinians, and they identify the Jews as the enemis of the Palestinians; therefore, they believe that they have a reason to hate the Jews seen as the enemies of their brothers. This is not racism.
              You could use the same construct to claim that your average 19th century proletarian antisemite just considered jews as the enemies of the working class because of some jewish "capitalists". You don't need a degree in bungle-boo Rassenkunde to be a racist.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #37
                Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                Indeed. Attacking random jews because of anger over Israel is antisemitism. What else?
                Attacking people who have no connection to the event or place you are angry about simply because they fit a particular racial type can be seen as vaguely racist, yes. Don't be so obtuse Roland. It doesn't suit you at all.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DAVOUT


                  Because those young people do not even know what anti-semitism is, that is hating people just because they exist. They identify themselves as the brothers of the Palestinians, and they identify the Jews as the enemis of the Palestinians; therefore, they believe that they have a reason to hate the Jews seen as the enemies of their brothers. This is not racism.
                  "Because those peasants do not even know wht anti-semitism is, that is hating people just because they exist. They identify themselves as children of Christ, and they identify jews as murderers of Christ; therefore, they believe that they have a reason to hate the Jews seen as the enemies of Christ. This is not racism. "

                  Every bigotry attempts to justify itself in some fashion. That a Frenchman is defending this bigotry, and claiming its not racism, is part of the problem.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    Attacking people who have no connection to the event or place you are angry about simply because they fit a particular racial type can be seen as vaguely racist, yes. Don't be so obtuse Roland. It doesn't suit you at all.
                    Uhm... Dino dear, that may be so unusual you can't imagine it, but I was agreeing with you.
                    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
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                      This is not racism.


                      Yes it is. Hating an entire ethnic group because of the actions of some members of that group is racism, plain and simple.
                      You are wrong. Any time you have a reason for hating people, you are possibly a bad guy acting wrongly or even a criminal, you are not a racist. The truly horrible thing which makes racism different from all other crimes, is that you hate people just because they exist.
                      Statistical anomaly.
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                      • #41
                        I apologize

                        Originally posted by HershOstropoler
                        Uhm... Dino dear, that may be so unusual you can't imagine it, but I was agreeing with you.
                        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                        • #42
                          You are wrong. Any time you have a reason for hating people, you are possibly a bad guy acting wrongly or even a criminal, you are not a racist. The truly horrible thing which makes racism different from all other crimes, is that you hate people just because they exist.


                          God I hate French people.

                          I'm not a racist, though, as I hate the French for a reason, namely this post.
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                          • #43
                            "Any time you have a reason for hating people, you are possibly a bad guy acting wrongly or even a criminal, you are not a racist."

                            So if I hated Turks for looting Austria in the 15th-17th century, that would not be racist?
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #44
                              I dont know what are hate crimes, I am just defining racism.

                              Hersh, if your hate is directed to those who perpetrated the looting, it is not racist, and anyway they are dead. :
                              Statistical anomaly.
                              The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

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                              • #45
                                "if your hate is directed to those who perpetrated the looting, it is not racist"

                                And if it is directed against today's Turks (who can't possibly have anything have to do with it), it is racist.
                                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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