North and South Korea Briefly Exchange Fire

[Q Classic]

If thier feelings were actually based on something real they would get more attention from us.

if americans realized that appearances mean a lot more in asia than they do here, we'd do a lot better in our relations over there.
you look like you're listening to them. then you do whatever the hell you want. you say you'll consider allowing criminal trials to take place in korean courts, and then let that proposal fall down the bottomless pit of "reform".
trust me, you'd pacify a lot of these younger, more blindly nationalistic koreans if you did small things like that.

no doubt

launch some sub nukes on his azz

[Q Classic]

Whose gripes do you want to address? Ours? We are the ones staying there.

what gripes to the americans have? other than the fact that it's considered a "hardship" tour of duty, or that they don't like the smell of kimchi, or that the conservatives and liberals back home think we should pull out of korea and leave them to rot?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
you look like you're listening to them. then you do whatever the hell you want. you say you'll consider allowing criminal trials to take place in korean courts, and then let that proposal fall down the bottomless pit of "reform".

How about we tell them that our status of forces agreement with the RoK is more respectful of thier justice system than the agreements we have with other countries?

[TCO]

Oh givce me a break. you needy little ****. WE are there protecting them. And they have gripes? ARe you a child? Have you ever worked for a living? Or do you see the US as mommy to the world?

[Q Classic]

How about we tell them that our status of forces agreement with the RoK is more respectful of thier justice system than the agreements we have with other countries?

tell them that over and over again, and pretend to listen to them ***** and whine. then don't do anything.
is that so hard?

Oh givce me a break. you needy little ****. WE are there protecting them. And they have gripes? ARe you a child? Have you ever worked for a living? Or do you see the US as mommy to the world?

how am i the needy little *****?
the us isn't the one physically protecting them. we're psychologically protecting them by scaring the bejeezus out of the north. most of the actual fighting in any coming war will be done by koreans between korean troops.
yes, they have gripes. you seem to revel in killing the messenger. did i ever say i thought those gripes were valid? all i said was to pretend, put on a facade, a face, and then do what we've been doing.
i still fail to see why you're attacking me... would it be better if i shut up and you didn't hear about these things?

[Ted Striker]

how the hell are the south koreans scaring them

[TCO]

We are protecting them by having our troops there, so that if the baloon goes up, we are on the bubble to back them up. If we're not protecting them, its no big deal if we leave. If they have gripes with the SOF agreement, we can make things a lot easier for them...

**** "face".

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
how the hell are the south koreans scaring them

The RoK army wasn't scaring them. It's the small American contingent that was scaring them. Oddly enough moving them away from the DMZ seemed to scare the crap out of both the RoK and the DPRK.

[Q Classic]

how the hell are the south koreans scaring them

i didn't say the skoreans were scaring them. i said we americans are.

maybe i should explain that i'm an american of korean extraction. meaning if there was a war there, i'd sign up and fight under the american banner, not the korean one.

37k american troops aren't going to make much of a difference in the opening stages of war when confronted by over 1 million nkorean soldiers and fighting alongside 600k skorean soldiers. i'm glad that the americans pulled themselves further south, because now they'll have a fighting chance, rather than being crushed in the opening hours.

that had the added effect of scaring nkorea, since it made it look like we were taking them out of immediate range--and thus potentially allowing us a greater hand in launching the first strike.
it scared skorea because they couldn't take their defense for granted as much anymore. no longer would america be the one to foot all the bills. it's a good thing too, because we'll be passing off most of the fighting to them anyway.

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We are protecting them by having our troops there, so that if the baloon goes up, we are on the bubble to back them up. If we're not protecting them, its no big deal if we leave. If they have gripes with the SOF agreement, we can make things a lot easier for them...

did i ever say we weren't? all i said that the 37k troops there are not a physical deterrent so much as a psychological deterrent. do you honestly think that 37k troops--and not all of them combat troops--would be able to take apart the million man army?
the 37k troops are there to hammer home the message to nkorea: you mess with skorea, and you'll hit an american. if you hit an american, we'll come in full force and crush you. the 37k troops are no more than a finger connected to the mighty arm that happens to be the american military.
that's all i've been saying.

so they have gripes. everybody has gripes. not all of them are valid. i honestly don't think the korean ones are valid.

**** "face".

and yet you still want to attack me, the messenger.
why?

[TCO]

Glad to see you clarify the term "psychological detterent". I'm not familiar with that one. Never heard it in any briefings. But it is credible and it commits us. So it is not vaporous. It has effects.

Regardless, if the SOF is so onerous, let's boogie. SK does not have it's eye one the ball.

**** face. Deal with the cold equations of space.

[Q Classic]

Regardless, if the SOF is so onerous, let's boogie. SK does not have it's eye one the ball.

we'll agree to disagree here. i think the rift could easily be dealt with by some little white diplomatic lies.

**** face. Deal with the cold equations of space.

i understand what you're saying now. it sounds so simple, but i think the years of embedded confucianism (which has hamstrung politics and true capitalism) won't allow public appearances to be ignored.

[Thoth]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


Krypton 35 is a by-product of plutonium reprocessing.

Thanks, it's been more than a couple of years since I've looked at a periodic table.

[SIZE=1]
Whatever their intentions for the things, the DPRK is preparing a nuclear arsenal. These WMD's are not in question...they ARE doing it.

Not much doubt in my mind about that, but I highly doubt that Jr Bush is capable of handling the situation well. I hope I'm wrong, but........

[Drake Tungsten]

it sounds so simple, but i think the years of embedded confucianism (which has hamstrung politics and true capitalism) won't allow public appearances to be ignored.

Americans don't give a **** about Confucianism and the South Koreans would do well to remember that. We shouldn't have to kowtow to Korean cultural sensibilities; we're helping the Koreans out, not the other way around.

[Thoth]

Drake: That attitude is a big part of the reason why the US is disliked so much in the rest of the world.

[Q Classic]

Americans don't give a **** about Confucianism and the South Koreans would do well to remember that. We shouldn't have to kowtow to Korean cultural sensibilities; we're helping the Koreans out, not the other way around.

americans are helping the koreans out.

but when in rome, do as the romans do.