US and Korea "Slipping Into War"

[Q Classic]

Let the Chinese deal with their problem child. They've propped up this mess of a nation for years and now are trying to back out. Sorry. No dice.

If the US gets involved to rid the world of this nasty regime, how long before the rest of the world starts howling about imperialism again? I say we pass on this one.

we're involved. we're allied with skorea. they're involved.

we were the ones who allowed the soviet army to come in the north, because we didn't have the manpower to take it all ourselves.

we've been involved since the inception of the two halves.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Gunk: Since Europeans are saying the same about the US in Iraq, I can symphatize with that statement .

But we should get in there and help out because we aren't as petty as those Eurocoms .

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
we're involved. we're allied with skorea. they're involved.

Speaking of which, has Roh moved beyond the cheap talk he has used in the past and started demanding some degree of reciprocity from the North for the aid they give?

[Whaleboy]

As a matter of interest, what objective right does any nation have to nukes, and what separates NK from the USA in that respect?

[Japher]

The Pacific?

[Sava]

As a matter of interest, what objective right does any nation have to nukes, and what separates NK from the USA in that respect?

Sorry, I don't want evil people having nukes... call me hypocritical... but that's the way I see it.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Gunk: Since Europeans are saying the same about the US in Iraq, I can symphatize with that statement .

Well there's a slight difference between NK and Iraq.

[Whaleboy]

Who/What/where/why/how is evil?

Its all very well to say "I am a nation and I have nukes, and I dont want any others to have them", but I dont respect that.

I respect an independent body who says "a nation can or cant have nukes".

IMO its down to the individual nation to decide, and if others dont like it, then they should not force their views on another, as that other has the same right to nukes as they do.

Of course, ideally, I'd like no nation to have nukes.

[gunkulator]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Q Cubed
we're involved. we're allied with skorea. they're involved.[/quote

The Cold War is over. Time for North and South Korea to work out their differences by themselves. China and Japan have some regional interests because they would bear the brunt of any refugees but this really isn't the US' domain anymore.

we were the ones who allowed the soviet army to come in the north, because we didn't have the manpower to take it all ourselves.

So one military mistake 50 years ago is the basis for foreign policy today? No, I don't think so. Besides, once Russia or China was involved, we had to back down. Now all the big players want to back out and leave it to the locals. What's wrong with that?

we've been involved since the inception of the two halves.

We've also meddled with the creation Phillipines, Panama and Israel. Today those countries manage themselves - with the US and other countries providing aid of course. I have nothing against helping SK function as a nation, but it should stand mostly on its own. OTOH, a UN led intervention is another story.

Imran

Since Europeans are saying the same about the US in Iraq, I can symphatize with that statement

Indeed. At the moment there's no one coming out against US intervention, but I would expect that to change once the shooting starts. There apparently is a lot of political gain to be made in other countries by dumping on the US. I guess it's only OK for the US to topple dictatorships if we gain no benefit whatsoever - oh, and if we also don't hurt our allies' cushy deals with evil regimes.

[edit- didn't finish a sentence]

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Japher
The Pacific?

Good enough for me.

[Pekka]

I think Europeans don't condemn NK as bad as Iraq if attack happens. NK has openly threatened the US, has admitted having nukes etc. It is also hostile, and not very friendly to anyone. It is also weird place. I think NK at the moment is very legit target.

[Q Classic]

pres. roh? nobody likes him.
and i don't think his policy's changed that much. he says he wants reciprocation, and that nkorea must denuclearize in order for skorea to continue aiding it, but he's shown himself to be a weak president, caving to labor unions and not doing anything well.

[Q Classic]

Now all the big players want to back out and leave it to the locals. What's wrong with that?

does it look like the big players want out? nope. the us is still there. so's china. leaving it to the locals would be allowing the koreans to do what they damn well want to do, which is reunify.

We've also meddled with the creation Phillipines, Panama and Israel. Today those countries manage themselves - with the US and other countries providing aid of course. I have nothing against helping SK function as a nation, but it should stand mostly on its own. OTOH, a UN led intervention is another story.

sk does stand on its own. korea does manage itself, far better than the philippines and panama do, mind you, and without the global recrimination israel gets. you think the 37k american actually do anything in korea? they're a speed bump that ensures that the us is involved.

what i was saying is that america is involved, no matter what we want. nkorea doesn't want to extort things from skorea; there's no sport in it. it wants to extort things from the us. that's the issue here.

Indeed. At the moment there's no one coming out against US intervention, but I would expect that to change once the shooting starts.

actually, nobody in the world wants us military intervention in nkorea.
least of all those most directly affected, the skoreans, japanese, and chinese.

[Q Classic]

btw, about the title:

these days (since the 70's and early 80's, anyway), saying "korea" by itself is linked more to south korea. before then, it generally referred to the north.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
does it look like the big players want out? nope. the us is still there. so's china. leaving it to the locals would be allowing the koreans to do what they damn well want to do, which is reunify.

Then they don't need us. We'll just take our troops out and let you two go at it.