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NYE: I still can't believe they had the balls to claim that we unfairly subsidise farmers up here, given that they give theirs 2-3 times as much as we give ours. 
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The EU economy will not survive a crash in the world economy. That is ridiculous. It would have to be entirely shut off from the whole world, not just the US.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Total EU exports to the US are what now, 2-3 % of GDP. Not enough to collapse us.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Considering the number of countries that banned Canadian beef after that cow was discovered, why would they be pissed off at us?Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh, btw. The conclusion up here is that the one, lone, mad cow was imported from the US (most likely) or the UK (less likely). The border remains closed to beef, and yet more people are getting pissed off.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Yeah, 1846 actually. I looked it up.Originally posted by C0ckney
yeah i was gonna say about the corn laws, i think it was later than 1832, it was after the irish famine IIRC.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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You are roughly as protectionist as the EU. Stop believing your own propaganda.
I don't think this is true, but how rough is rough? For instance, if the EU is twice as protectionist as the US, are they still "roughly" as protectionist?
As evidence that we're less protectionist, I would point to the US routinely allowing a very high trade deficit both in policy and consumer appetite.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It was done in steps: There was some hugely important trade liberalization step taken by Britian in 1832 as well, though if ti was not repealling the corn laws, I can;t think which one it was.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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This is a myth, IIRC. AFAIK, we still outsell foreign cars by a wide margin.The auto industry is an excellent example. Most cars sold here are now foreign.
It's a free market. If the Japanese are selling a car for x that I think is more efficient than the Americans selling a more expensive car for y, then I'll take the Japanese car, unless I'm a business moron. The correct way to save an industry is to make the industry good, not to keep subsidizing it into hell.Is that good? The "debacle" you speak of was caused by an artificial "oil crisis" and the resultant rush to import cars which were perceived to be more efficient. It was not accompanied by an opening of non-US markets, and our auto industry is now dying. Chrysler is gone, Ford is going and GM is on life support. And you think this is an example of the success of free trade for US?
Then again, one of the best things the government could do right now for the auto industry is subsidizing...give it money for the specific purpose of getting off its lazy ass and building a ****ing hydrogen car. And then, poof, no more middle east meddling...
(And the instances of examples in this thread are manufacturing examples; i.e. steel closing down and cars closing down. America is moving to a service economy.)meet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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You sure do know a lot about the Benjamins.LoneWolf: $41 billion doesn't leave the US every month--there are no fewer dollars in the American economy because of it. This is because the trade deficit has to be made up by overseas investment in the United States.
If the US isn't covering its trade deficit with investment in the US, then value of the dollar declines until the US does cover its trade deficit. Eventually, a falling dollar will make American goods cheaper at home and overseas, which will result in a lower trade deficit.
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Because you're basically siding with the Japanese on this issue instead of with us. Instead of telling the Japanese in no uncertain terms that North American beef is safe, that country-of-origin labelling is unfeasible and that both Canada & the USA have top-of-the-line safety standards in place, and therefore the USA will reopen its borders to Canadian beef immediately and if Japan doesn't like it, tough; you're hemming & hawing on those unreasonable Japanese demands and none of us up here can figure out how you benefit by punishing our beef industry for something that could just as easily have happened to you.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Considering the number of countries that banned Canadian beef after that cow was discovered, why would they be pissed off at us?
Then you toss in the softwood lumber dispute, the wheat tariff, and the perception is that the USA doesn't want to trade fairly with Canada in industries where Canada can actually *gasp* compete! And/or that the USA will bow to demands from other trading partners instead of from your largest trading partner with whom you have a free trade agreement!"If you doubt that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters would eventually produce the combined works of Shakespeare, consider: it only took 30 billion monkeys and no typewriters." - UnknownComment
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Until the issue wrt the safety of Canadian beef is settled, why shouldn't we err on the side of caution where public safety is concerned?Originally posted by optimus2861
And/or that the USA will bow to demands from other trading partners instead of from your largest trading partner with whom you have a free trade agreement!I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Look at the WTO cases the US loses. It is not easy to quantify protectionism, but if you try it like oxfam, you don't find many substantial differences. What would those differences be?Originally posted by DanS
You are roughly as protectionist as the EU. Stop believing your own propaganda.
I don't think this is true, but how rough is rough? For instance, if the EU is twice as protectionist as the US, are they still "roughly" as protectionist?
As evidence that we're less protectionist, I would point to the US routinely allowing a very high trade deficit both in policy and consumer appetite.
As for the trade deficit, it is a function of your ultralose monetary policy. On the other hand, dollar recycling keeps your financial system alive. It has little to nothing to do with trade policies.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Y'know, I'm curious as to why some Canadian posters seem to think that joining the EU would solve their problems?
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We've poked and prodded. We've looked over hill and dale. We've tested and measured and counted. We've slaughtered herds that had connection with the mad cow. We've figured out where the cow came from (most likely). We have relayed information and cooperated with American investigators. The border remains closed.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Until the issue wrt the safety of Canadian beef is settled, why shouldn't we err on the side of caution where public safety is concerned?
The U.S. Secretary of Agriculture, Ann Veneman, said Canadian beef is safe but has yet to give a timeline for when the border will reopen for trade.
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NYE, since when have you known government entities to move like quicksilver?
"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire
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Hmmm. The border got closed pretty fast. Actually, this issue should not have been this big. We found the cow, border closed, fair enough. Now we've demonstrated there are no more to be found, but the border stays closed due to other issues. Foul.
When combined with the joke of a 12% tarrif on two varieties of Canadian wheat, and the lumber tarrifs, patience up here for Washington's nonsense is growing very thin. btw, these issues are effecting 1 large region (the West). That same region is the same one where most of the energy that the US badly needs is located. It is only a matter of time before support will grow for the federal government to do something to get your attention in a way that will stop the silliness. We don't have very many weapons for a trade war, and we really don't want to have one. However, people are getting fed up to the point where they don't see many choices.(\__/)
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