What can be done about the gang problem in US?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
how to get where, kid?

Do you know how to get all the inner-city youth jobs?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
back on topic... there's been no communist movement to organize the inner city youth... all such militant movements have been comparatively right wing and they never got anywhere really.

I think the groups you are thinking of were seperatists and civil rights groups. I wouldn't really call them right wing or left wing. But I'm interested in your opinion.

Originally posted by Albert Speer
maybe, just maybe a socially conservative marxist movement might gain some real meager popularity... but not your breed of marxism

What the hell is a socially conservative marxist?

[Al B. Sure!]

Sava:

i am aware of that but even still... let's look at some of the shared beliefs of the NoI, BPP, and Afrikan revolutionary action committee... they all roughly believe that woman must be subservient to men... yeah very liberal of an idea... they all are convinced that homosexuality is a disease of the white man that has infiltrated into a small minority of black males due to rape during slavery... yep... real liberal... need i say more?

and though the BPP was idealistically socialistic, when it came down to it, they, and the NoI, realized they needed to work within a capitalist system and insisted that people start up their own businesses and all that so they were roughly capitalistic in practical matters.

their hatred for republicans is the same as the hatred for republicans that most people here got... this twisted idea that republicans represent rich white men though the republican party platform is a bit closer to representing the views of most people in the city than the democrats are in my opinion.

so yeah, the groups i mentioned (except maybe the ARAC which seems marxist economically) are very far right wing on social issues and moderate on economics... i think it's fair to call them 'right-wing'


thanks

[Al B. Sure!]

kidicious:

Weren't the Soviets socially conservative? i dont know... its concievable for there to be economic communists who believe in the traditional role for women, are against homosexuality and abortion, and stress militancy and discipline... look at 1984...

[Urban Ranger]

1. Legalise drugs
2. Regulate firearms
3. Reduce the gap between rich and poor

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
kidicious:

Weren't the Soviets socially conservative? i dont know... its concievable for there to be economic communists who believe in the traditional role for women, are against homosexuality and abortion, and stress militancy and discipline... look at 1984...

hehe. ok, we definitely don't want that.

[Al B. Sure!]

Kidicious:

no of course not... we'd want to be able to decide what we do with our own money

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
1. Legalise drugs
2. Regulate firearms
3. Reduce the gap between rich and poor

1. Right on. And sin tax the beejesus out of it.
2. Ehh. Maybe
3. Not through socialism or communism. The real gap that needs to be narrowed IMO is one that addresses future opportuity. Education and job training. Give folks the tools to better their positions.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Kidicious:

no of course not... we'd want to be able to decide what we do with our own money

That's not what the Black Panthers stood for.

The BPP combined elements of socialism and black nationalism, insisting that if businesses and the government did not provide for full employment, the community should take over the means of production. It promoted the development of strong black-controlled institutions, calling for blacks to work together to protect their rights and to improve their economic and social conditions. The BPP also emphasized class unity, criticizing the black middle class for acting against the interests of other, less fortunate blacks. The BPP welcomed alliances with white activists, such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and later the Weathermen, because they believed that all revolutionaries that wanted to change U.S. society should unite across racial lines. This position differed from those taken by many black organizations of the late 1960s, such as the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), which excluded white members after 1966.

-Encarta Encyclopedia

[Sava]

i am aware of that but even still... let's look at some of the shared beliefs of the NoI, BPP, and Afrikan revolutionary action committee... they all roughly believe that woman must be subservient to men... yeah very liberal of an idea... they all are convinced that homosexuality is a disease of the white man that has infiltrated into a small minority of black males due to rape during slavery... yep... real liberal... need i say more?

that's precisely why you shouldn't have two political definitions... right/left... those groups are neither "liberal/left" or "conservative/right".

this twisted idea that republicans represent rich white men

... is true... follow not the rhetoric... but the actions. You think Bushies care about you or anyone living in poverty, for that matter? Look at the actions of this president... the tax cuts for rich people... the job-destroying economic policies... don't confuse moral views with socio-economic policy.

[Kidlicious]

Sava,

He just seems incapable of getting that for some reason. He likes to think Bushy and Malcolm X were soul mates or something.

[Al B. Sure!]

Kid:

That's not what the Black Panthers stood for.

actually, i was referring to you saying how you didnt want a socially conservative communist country and i meant no of couse not, we'd want capitalism WITH conservatism not communism with it

anyway, let's take a look at encarta...

insisting that if businesses and the government did not provide for full employment, the community should take over the means of production.

yeah, if... Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc. demanded there be full employment... they must be marxists

It promoted the development of strong black-controlled institutions

which included black-owned businesses... the BPP (and NoI) had an attitude of let's get rid of all these jewish (this was before asian) stores and replace them with black-owned ones. it would be a mistake to call that idea socialist.


Sava:

the job-destroying economic policies...

nah i think the democrats got the cake for that... i mean, pro-business policies obviously do result in businesses doing well and hiring more people... if they get fair wages or not though and if they work under good conditions is a different story entirely but objectively, the republican platform does provide for more commercial (non-bureaucratic) jobs

[Sava]

nah i think the democrats got the cake for that... i mean, pro-business policies obviously do result in businesses doing well and hiring more people... if they get fair wages or not though and if they work under good conditions is a different story entirely but objectively, the republican platform does provide for more commercial (non-bureaucratic) jobs

Here's a homework assignment for you... go look up Clinton's 1993 budget and cross-reference it with unemployment... then compare those figures to Bush... m'kay...

the republican platform does provide for more commercial (non-bureaucratic) jobs

sorry, but the numbers don't agree with you...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
yeah, if... Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, etc. demanded there be full employment... they must be marxists

In fact, business and govt don't create full employment do they. So 'if' means very little there.

You can't possibly think that Black Panthers were big fans of Hitler. They believed in Equality. Come on. Give us and yourself a break here.

[Al B. Sure!]

Kid, haha... i don't think that... Malcolm X and William Jennings Bryant on the other hand... or Louis Farrakhan and Mussolini... Stokely Carmichael... Eldridge Cleaver...