Setting up Tenent for the Fall-Guy

[Q Classic]

or, in list form, adding a few:

{Bush, Clinton, Roosevelt, Reagan, Grant, Nixon, Carter, Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, McKinley, Wilson, Harding, Hoover} & co. are all a pack of liars and anyone who believes them is an idiot, as amply demonstrated on this forum.

[TCO]

Is there any doiubt that Iraq had yellowcake? We already found a bunch. What they hell is an oil country with lousy science doing building nuke plants. 3 guesses...

[Sava]

What they hell is an oil country with lousy science doing building nuke plants. 3 guesses...

Big deal, of course Saddam wanted nukes. But he was closer to getting them in the 80's when Israel blew up that nuke plant, then he was in march 2003. In fact, Saddam was less of a threat to Americans in 2003, then he was in 1990.

The lie came in when Bush, Blair and company made Saddam out to be a bad, bad evil man who could attack us within 45 minutes notice.

[Agathon]

The intellectual mendacity or sheer slow-wittedness of some right wing Apolytoners is so blatant that even Fez could see it. In fact it's getting so comically predictable so as to make me know what will be written before I read it. Even if Bush were to be caught on tape admitting that it's bollocks, some here would say that the democrats doctored the tape. Such fanaticism is worthy of the Taliban.

No matter what evidence is produced or not produced it's obvious that the tired old tory windbags are going to insist that the truth is out there. We may never be able to see them or touch them, but Saddam's WMD's exist in a transcendental realm beyond human ken; just as the righteousness of their cause is proven beyond the bounds of reasonable human debate.

However the war may turn out and independently of any arguments for or against it, it should be evident to any person with a modicum of common sense that Bush, Blair and company simply bull****ted for all they were worth in order to con people into a war the reason for which still escapes me. They'd say anything to get their way then and they'll come up with the most absurd excuses now to try to obscure the blindingly obvious. I can't think of many more leaders that have been more destructive of democracy in their respective countries.

Well maybe Clinton who couldn't bring himself to admit before the world that he got his penis sucked by a loud fat girl a few times and that only managed to get his jollies even once. How awful compared to bull****ting the public to get opinion onside to start a war that will benefit your rich friends? How dare Clinton lie about his private life/parts? The impudence of it.

Phew... I'm glad I live in a sensible country with a free press and a reasonable standard of public debate.

[RGBVideo]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The willing guilibility of many people towards Bush is simply amazing.

Originally posted by The Diplomat
The willing gulibility of many people towards Clinton was also quite amazing.

Well, bush is lying...

BUSH? LOOK WHAT CLINTON DID!
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HA! NOW I'VE PROVED THAT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT BUSH! I WON!

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Sava

The lie came in when Bush, Blair and company made Saddam out to be a bad, bad evil man who could attack us within 45 minutes notice.

Yes - In the time it takes you to get three blocks in a Manhattan cab, Saddam Hussein could be raining down his atomic fury upon you.

Do you live in Idaho? Did you know that you are less than an hours reach from the Iraqui madman. Support our president in bombing civilians to stop him!

[Sava]

Yes - In the time it takes you to get three blocks in a Manhattan cab, Saddam Hussein could be raining down his atomic fury upon you.

Do you live in Idaho? Did you know that you are less than an hours reach from the Iraqui madman. Support our president in bombing civilians to stop him!

Unfortunately... dumbf*cks across America believe this... or did believe it...

[Agathon]

Yes Clinton's lies resulted in a fat girl with a mouthful of sperm and a ruined dress.

Bush's lies flattened cities.

[TCO]

Only little kids who play Civ think that the war was about "Saddam attacking us in 45 minutes". It was about a long pattern of behavior by Saddam in terms of invading his neighbors, attacking Americans, using WOMD, having programs of WOMD, and not abiding by insepections, and not abiding by the sease-fire terms.

[Sava]

It's funny you mention inspections and such... because since 1991, Saddam became less and less of a threat against us. The inspections were just the slow tightening of a noose. They were working.

Don't blame those opposed to the war, TCO. Bush was the one who made his case based on lies, misinformations, forged data, and obsolete, decade's old data. Frankly, I figured Republicans would hate Bush more than everyone else... what for making you guys look stupid.

[Q Classic]

explosions --of all types-- are sexy.

[Drake Tungsten]

I still don't see how people can claim that Bush lied. In his State of the Union, he said that British Intelligence indicated that Iraq had bought uranium from Niger. British Intelligence still believes that, according to Tony Blair. Bush may have decided now that this information shouldn't have been used, but at the time he made the statement there is no reason to believe he knew it was false, especially given the fact that the agency he got the information from still believes it to be accurate.

And it's Tenet, for god's sake. Props to Imran for getting it right.

[GePap]

Bush never mentioned any African country in his speech, nor did he ever specify any source for his claim either, which is the basis of Sloww's thread on this issue. (He made on passing reference to African uranium in his speech).

[Drake Tungsten]

I'm pretty sure I heard a clip from the State of the Union last night in which Bush specifically mentioned British Intelligence as the source for the African uranium information.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Agathon
The intellectual mendacity or sheer slow-wittedness of some right wing Apolytoners is so blatant that even Fez could see it. In fact it's getting so comically predictable so as to make me know what will be written before I read it. Even if Bush were to be caught on tape admitting that it's bollocks, some here would say that the democrats doctored the tape. Such fanaticism is worthy of the Taliban.

No matter what evidence is produced or not produced it's obvious that the tired old tory windbags are going to insist that the truth is out there. We may never be able to see them or touch them, but Saddam's WMD's exist in a transcendental realm beyond human ken; just as the righteousness of their cause is proven beyond the bounds of reasonable human debate.

However the war may turn out and independently of any arguments for or against it, it should be evident to any person with a modicum of common sense that Bush, Blair and company simply bull****ted for all they were worth in order to con people into a war the reason for which still escapes me. They'd say anything to get their way then and they'll come up with the most absurd excuses now to try to obscure the blindingly obvious. I can't think of many more leaders that have been more destructive of democracy in their respective countries.

Well maybe Clinton who couldn't bring himself to admit before the world that he got his penis sucked by a loud fat girl a few times and that only managed to get his jollies even once. How awful compared to bull****ting the public to get opinion onside to start a war that will benefit your rich friends? How dare Clinton lie about his private life/parts? The impudence of it.

Phew... I'm glad I live in a sensible country with a free press and a reasonable standard of public debate.

I seriously wonder why you bother posting here and reading this drivel. I'm sure it must be much more interesting to grade people's essay exams on post-modernism, structuralism, and ex-post-de-facto-constructuralism or whatever the latest empty fad is. We obviously aren't worth your time.