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**Sirotnikov** · July 9, 2003, 18:06

technophiles? where art thou?

**Kassiopeia** · July 9, 2003, 18:18

The site design is downright horrible. Ugh.

Below 700 shekels, I'd think either the Radeon 9100 (around 400 shekels) or the GeForce4 Ti 4200 with 64MB of memory (640 shekels iirc) would be good choices. They aren't equivalent cards, the Ti 4200 is better, but all the other Radeon cards are a bit too expensive. So I think in your situation I'd take the Ti 4200. NVidia drivers are said to be better (easier, less problems) than the ATi ones, but I have no personal experience and the ATi drivers are supposedly getting better.

Of course, if you have a P2 400, the Ti 4200 won't necessarily help you. What sort of a system do you have altogether? You do have an AGP slot to put the card in?

Oh and MX's aren't better. I think I read somewhere that a GeForce4 MX equals a 'regular' GeForce2 in some respects. Oh and card manufacturers (Leadtek, Sapphire etc.) should be of no consequence, the chips are pretty identical. The quality of the memory might vary but that's of importance mainly to overclockers.

(I have no deeper knowledge of graphics cards but I've read a lot of threads like this lately)

**reds4ever** · July 9, 2003, 18:27

On a PII 400 anything better than a GeForce 2 is a waste of time IMO

**Kassiopeia** · July 9, 2003, 18:29

On a PII 400 anything better than a GeForce 2 is a waste of time IMO

Yeah, I'd rather save for an entirely new inexpensive-ish system. If he has an integrated video card to top it off, he'd need a PCI card which are also a waste of time, and money.

**BustaMike** · July 9, 2003, 18:32

TI 4200 is a nice card, but reds is right. On a PII, you won't really notice anything past an old TNT2 card. I dunno about there, but here Athlon 2600+ boards and processors are less than $100, and a stick of 512 runs around $50-$60.

**Kassiopeia** · July 9, 2003, 18:37

Athlon 2600+ boards and processors are less than $100, and a stick of 512 runs around $50-$60.

Even a 1700+ (60 euros here) with 256 megs (40 euros) would be more than enough compared to a P2. Add a motherboard (~90 euros), use your old case and drives, get a new power source (300 or 350W, ~60 euros?), a cooler for the processor (~15 euros), and you have a decent computer.

I can understand Siro if he simply can't afford more than 700 shekels though. I've been there. I'm sorry but a new graphics card won't do it.

**Skanky Burns** · July 9, 2003, 18:46

A good rule of thumb is to aviod any graphics cards with MX in their name.

**spiritof1202** · July 9, 2003, 19:22

Sounds like you don't have enough to properly update your system and upgrading to something already a generation old isn't a wonderful feeling.

AMD are no longer the price performance wonder they once were. The XP2600 isn't great price/performance value.

The sweet spot right now is a P4 2.6C on an Abit IS-7 with a Radeon 9500 (pro? i can't recall.)

hope this helps... although I understand if you can't afford it you can't afford it...

**Sirotnikov** · July 9, 2003, 19:44

You do have an AGP slot to put the card in?

Of course

I will upgrade to a Pentium 4 some time later this year.

But meanwhile, I can't afford a more expensive graphics card.

700 is the top limit. up to 500 would be preferable.

**tinyp3nis** · July 9, 2003, 19:51

Originally posted by spiritof1202
Sounds like you don't have enough to properly update your system and upgrading to something already a generation old isn't a wonderful feeling.

AMD are no longer the price performance wonder they once were. The XP2600 isn't great price/performance value.

The sweet spot right now is a P4 2.6C on an Abit IS-7 with a Radeon 9500 (pro? i can't recall.)

hope this helps... although I understand if you can't afford it you can't afford it...

Actually 2600+ is. Why? Because intel don't give you anything good for 100 $ / €.
If your going to go for 200 $ / € + priced CPU then consider p4's

**Kassiopeia** · July 9, 2003, 20:15

I will upgrade to a Pentium 4 some time later this year.

But meanwhile, I can't afford a more expensive graphics card.

700 is the top limit. up to 500 would be preferable.

Hmm... by upgrading to P4 you mean getting a new motherboard, a new processor and new memory right? What are you going to do with a new graphics card before that? Their prices might drop and you'd be better off buying the card along with your main upgrade than getting it now for no gain.

If your going to go for 200 $ / € + priced CPU then consider p4's

Yeah, if you have the money, go for Pentium 4 by all means, but on the "budget" prices the Celeron's a joke compared to Athlon XPs. After 2600+ though the processors get much more expensive compared to the speed.

**Panag** · July 9, 2003, 20:22

hi ,

héy , get an amd

and wait a bit longer , some of those expensive one shall drop the prize , ...... ( some shall be around nis 750 , the ones that are now around nis 1050 )

have a nice early morning

**Sirotnikov** · July 9, 2003, 20:24

ok i don't need advice on upgrading motherboard and stuff.

I got my dad to pay for a new graphics card, and that is what I'm going to buy now.

**Panag** · July 9, 2003, 20:28

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
ok i don't need advice on upgrading motherboard and stuff.

I got my dad to pay for a new graphics card, and that is what I'm going to buy now.

hi ,

*now* , ......

how on earth did you do that , ......

allas , buy an amd

well good luc kwith it

have a nice day

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