my observation

[Traianvs]

Slowwhand, that's bs

Where I live, quite about everybody is atheist, gay or not.

Maybe in puritan America, this situation is kinda different, but over here church is literally empty, there are no new priests whatsoever, so that's bollox what you're saying.

Of course, there are still some very old people that go to church, but these elderly people are dying away so...


The only things that remain popular are crappy ceremonies such as marriage, etc, basically I find that hypocrite.
If you don't believe in God and you have no affiliation to church then why bother marrying for the church

[mrmitchell]

Most of the civilised world has no problems with athiesm or is athiest. The United States is an exception...due to its 19th century isolationism, all kinds of fundamentalism grew up that would have been crunched out otherwise.

Athiests are people who believe that there is no God or who don't know. Agnostics are people who don't care for whutever reason.

Likewise, religion can be a double-edged sword: It has been used for inspiration, and has been used as an excuse and a thing to throw all your problems to and blindly hope for the best.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
I think people get atheism confused with agnosticism... you can not possibly be a man of science and be an atheist as there is no conclusive proff that God does not exist... you can say that for all practical purposes, it can be assumed he does not exist, but that would only be agnosticism...

You're wrong.

I can believe one does not exist, because in the only form that one could exist, it would be completely incapable of affecting the universe, and therefore irrelevant.

[SlowwHand]

I'm talking about here, Trajan, I said that; so shut the fuk up with your dumbass comments.

Go quit something else.
That's what you're good at, isn't it ?

[Kuciwalker]

/me is confused

Was sloww talking to me or to mrmitchell?

[Soul Survivor]

edit: i just don't see how anyone can really cope with the idea that death is the end

[mrmitchell]

calm down cowboy

[mrmitchell]

SS
The "I'm looking forward to a good lunch" quote is a good reason
Also, usually, athiests are mature enough (er, offensive wording, I know) to not need a reason to live or they have betterment of themselves or society as a reason.

EDIT: To your own edit of death being an end, I suppose athiests either think of it as "This is my one shot, I'm gonna kick ass this time" or the betterment of society thing I mentioned. Yeah, I know, I'm giving bad answers

Sloww
Come to think of it...who WERE you talking to anyways?

[SlowwHand]

Trajanus.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
though i will say this... religious people just about always work hard, pay their bills, and take care of their kids and community... so i mean, you got to love religious people just for that even if their missionarying can get annoying

Since 95% of all people in the US claim to be religious, this is just a typical BAM statement on your part, Speer. It was my experience that most religious people were hypocrites or self-righteous windbags who were more interested in others not having any fun than in living a Christian life. And as religion exists over the whole world, one must necessarily come to the conclusion that religions people are in no way superior to atheists.


*******!

[geeslaka]

The main thing theists use god for is an object to base their morals on. I believe that it is not important whether you believe the higher power to be god or yourself. What matters is whether you believe that the higher power has a moral obligation to do right.

[gunkulator]

"I'm an atheist, and that's it. I believe there's nothing we can know except that we should be kind to each other and do what we can for other people." - The late Katherine Hepburn

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Even most atheists believe it's possible god exists.

I've never met an atheist who said he/she believed that God could exist. Every atheist I've ever spoken with is adamant, there is no God. We do not lack a belief in god, we know it doesn't exist.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
I think people get atheism confused with agnosticism... you can not possibly be a man of science and be an atheist as there is no conclusive proff that God does not exist... you can say that for all practical purposes, it can be assumed he does not exist, but that would only be agnosticism...

You're the one who is confused. Woooo, I love it when a non-scientist spouts ignorant rantings about what scientists can and can't believe!

First, atheism does not claim that it is proven God doesn't exist. Most atheists do not believe God exists, while a smaller number actively believe God does not exist, but none (AFAIK) would state it has been proven that no god exists.

Agnosticism as you describe it is atheism. It would still be lack of belief in god.

Second, a scientist being an atheist is perfectly reasonable, because science is about observing natural phenomena. It is nothing to do with ontological debates over the existence of a supernatural deity. Regardless, it is a cardinal rule of science is that unless the phenomena or is observed, it isn't considered true. Since no one has proven the existence of god, or even come up with more than the barest of circumstantial evidence for god, it is most reasonable to not believe in god, from a scientific point of view.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
What surprises me is the number of Gay atheists.

Most gay people I know are Christians. Many fall into one of two groups, those that theink the church is wrong about homosexuality, and those that believe the church is right. Many, many teen suicides come from the latter group.