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And why is it that American cars have a reputation for being total crap, if they're exceptional in quality? 
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Because from 1960-1985(ish), American cars were crap. A 25 year rap is pretty hard to break.Comment
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Japanese cars were crap back then too, especially in the 60s and 70s."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Naw, Japanese cars were better than American cars quality-wise by 1968 at the latest. In 1960, Nissan (then Datsun) won the Deming award for quality... but it must be admitted that the American's didn't even know he was giving an award.Comment
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I had a chevy S-10 for ten years and put 150,000 + miles on it with only one problem the whole time. I still have the old girl back home but decided to bring my car up here.
One ***** I do have was with the piss poor paint job that Chevy did on the 92 model. A few years after I bought it the paint started pealing until the whole top of the hood was almost bare. I took it the dealer and he had to repaint it.
Backing up Oerdin's statement about going to junkyards. There are all kinds of things you can pick up for cheap. Don't be afraid to go out there and look around.Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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I beat up my bimmer pretty bad a couple of weeks ago, and apparently insurance expired in February
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Total bill was 6300 US$...
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Hahaha! Read'em and weep.
This is J.D. Power's lastest study in Long Term Reliability. The results for the top ten brands in long term reliability are 5 Japanese, 4 American, and 1 European brand. It looks like we should be talking about how crappy Euro cars are instead of American cars.
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Lexus 163
Infiniti 174
Buick 179
Porsche 193
Acura 196
Toyota 201
Cadillac 209
Lincoln 212
Honda 218
Mercury 240
Notice how there is no BMW, no M-B, no VW, no Volvo, no Saab, no Land Rover, no Jaguar, etc..? If fact not a single mass volume European manufacturer made it onto the list just Porche which has a very narrow focus and a very small product line up.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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I'm unsure how they tested, did they actually test all those brands or just those 10? Why wouldn't they release all the figures, rather than 10?
And I also find it really suspicious how Buick is #3 and Honda #9...just not kosher.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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They've been testing every make and model of car on sale in the US and Canada. Follow the link and you'll see they've released the numbers for all brands, but, if you want the info on individual models then you have to pay them.
Face the facts Asher. You were wrong and American cars are better designed and better put together then you've given them credit for.
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I don't buy the JD Power & Associates figures.Originally posted by Oerdin
They've been testing every make and model of car on sale in the US and Canada.
Face the facts Asher. You were wrong and American cars are better designed and better put together then you've given them credit for.
For one, they're incomplete -- where are the rest of the makers? What are the criteria and what exactly do the numbers mean? Why does anecdotal evidence totally fly in the face of it? Why is there such a huge gap between Lexus and Toyota seeing as Lexus is rebranded Toyota cars?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Charts like this seem more realistic to me:
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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Did you read the article asher? it would answer a few of your questions.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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So what's the deal with two lists?
J.D. Power long-term quality survey
Problems per 100 vehicles
Manufacturer Score
Porsche 193
Toyota 196
Honda 215
Nissan 258
BMW 262
General Motors 264
Subaru 266
Average 273
Ford 287
DaimlerChrysler 311
Mitsubishi 339
Hyundai 342
Isuzu 368
Volkswagen 378
Suzuki 403
Daewoo 421
Kia 509
That list seems slightly more believable to me, but why is it so different than the Top 10 Brands one?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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