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**Asher** · July 3, 2003, 16:51

Indeed. It is a supreme infringement of our civil liberties when our word processor timestamps and records when we modify a document.

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 16:53

Its a supreme infringement if people can trace that without our knowledge.

Lets not turn this into a windows vs linux thread, kword formats for example do the same, and linux stores info in /proc and /var, and the security issues of both systems are irrelevant, I see this as a pan-OS issue.

**Cruddy** · July 3, 2003, 16:56

Duh... I don't use text to keep that info private. I just don't have a CMOS battery in the computer...

Means I have to change BIOS settings every time I restart... and the computer NEVER knows what day it is... but there are other benefits too. See if you can work out what they are.

**Asher** · July 3, 2003, 16:57

Originally posted by elijah
Its a supreme infringement if people can trace that without our knowledge.

How is it without your knowledge?

Why do you think it asks for your initials and full name when you first install it?
What do you think all of that information is there for all to see in File->Properties?

The only people complaining are dumbasses who've been caught with their pants down by plaigurizing someone else's work.

This is in no way, shape, or form, an infringement of civil liberties.

It happens in your OS, too, when you create a file, your username and the time it created is recorded.

Down with filesystems.

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 16:58

How often do you restart cruddy?

If you really want control, use gnupg!

**Harovan** · July 3, 2003, 16:59

/proc is a virtual file system, where several system settings are mirrored. There's nothing being "stored".

I use the simple notepad (or a programming IDE) all the time for simple notes. I use a word processor (OpenOffice, usually) only, if I need to print out a formatted document. Happens twice, thrice a year.

**Imran Siddiqui** · July 3, 2003, 17:02

Asher:

It is utterly silly to say this violates civil liberties

. It's a very useful tool!

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 17:02

How is it without your knowledge?

I dunno, someone without the NSA could hack me, or I could place a document on the net without knowing that it contains information that I might not necessarily want to publish.

Why do you think it asks for your initials and full name when you first install it?

I wouldnt know, I dont use proprietary software.

This is in no way, shape, or form, an infringement of civil liberties

No-one said it was, however, it can facilitate it.

It happens in your OS, too, when you create a file, your username and the time it created is recorded

I know, and I said so!! The advantage of txt files is that all of that information can be changed with simple commands like "touch", I dont know what the windows version is.

Down with filesystems

???

**Asher** · July 3, 2003, 17:05

Has there ever been a sane Linux advocate?

Honestly?

I've never met one.

All of the sane Linux users I know are rather humble about it...

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 17:06

Asher, please dont spam this thread with the usual crap, we've all heard it before.

I dont see how this is an OS issue.

**Asher** · July 3, 2003, 17:08

It's a mindset issue, which is directly related to the OS issue in your case.

Irrationally paranoid and incessantly whack.

**Cruddy** · July 3, 2003, 17:09

Originally posted by elijah
How often do you restart cruddy?

If you really want control, use gnupg!

I restart every time I have a session. Typically I remove power totally when I'm not using the system.

Setting the BIOS options takes an extra 10 seconds per restart - maybe 1 minute per week of extra effort.

Any potential thief powers up the computer (which has a large "scrap" motif on it) will see that it doesn't boot - kind of a security feature too.

Amazed that no one else has worked out the real benefit though... Keep guessing!

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 17:12

directly related to the OS issue in your case

Its much more than that!

Relatively speaking, in terms of my interests, I dont really care about computing.

Irrationally paranoid

Perhaps some people use linux because they are paranoid and concerned about security, as opposed to linux making all its users paranoid as you are falsely implying. Did you seriously take a logic course?

incessantly whack

You're hardly one to talk! jk

**Whaleboy** · July 3, 2003, 17:13

What about the ramdisk (I dunno what other OS's term it). If people hack that, your in trouble right?

Any solutions apart from openBSD which doesnt like my graphics card?

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