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Originally posted by David Floyd
If a judge is basing decisions on Christian principles, there'd be a problem.
But the 10 Commandments can represent something other than religion - they can also represent a basic moral code that is pretty much good no matter who or what you believe in.
"Thou shall not kill", etc...what's wrong with posting that? I mean, hell, many of the prohibitions in the 10 Commandments are against the law anyway, and some, such as "Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" are relevant as hell in a court of law.
The problem with "thou shalt not kill" is that Republicans who support the death penality are not following it.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
Originally posted by MrFun
The problem with "thou shalt not kill" is that Republicans who support the death penality are not following it.
The problem with "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is that it is a mistranslation that is too often quoted.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
I never remember reading this commandment as saying, "Thou shalt not kill, except for . . ."
It's "Thou Shalt Not Murder."
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by David Floyd
If a judge is basing decisions on Christian principles, there'd be a problem.
But the 10 Commandments can represent something other than religion - they can also represent a basic moral code that is pretty much good no matter who or what you believe in.
"Thou shall not kill", etc...what's wrong with posting that? I mean, hell, many of the prohibitions in the 10 Commandments are against the law anyway, and some, such as "Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor" are relevant as hell in a court of law.
Skywalker had it right. Sure, 'thou shalt not kill' is all well and good, but about 'keep holy the sabbath day' and 'hold no other god before me'? Are these punishable offences? Heck no, and as such, they should not be presented in that manner in a government law building.
Why don't we just start putting quotes of Mohammed or Ramakrishna up on the walls of the courtroom? As long as they're relevant, eh?
"I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
"I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob Dylan
Skywalker had it right. Sure, 'thou shalt not kill' is all well and good, but about 'keep holy the sabbath day' and 'hold no other god before me'? Are these punishable offences? Heck no, and as such, they should not be presented in that manner in a government law building.
You'd have to be really stupid to think that just because a VERY WELL KNOWN Biblical passage is engraved on a government building, then you have to do what the passage says. Come on.
Why don't we just start putting quotes of Mohammed or Ramakrishna up on the walls of the courtroom? As long as they're relevant, eh?
Why not? Again, only a moron would assume they actually have to do what the Bible or Koran or whatever say in order to avoid the law.
The belief in God is a religious one. Placing references to God in courts, on money, in national pledges, the state is ESTABLISHING the public's belief in that religious concept. That goes against the first amendment... which outlines both freedom OF religion, and freedom FROM religion.
Government officials telling me about "God" doesn't violate my freedom... Prohibiting them from telling me about "God" violates theirs. Now, we have all sorts of laws that do violate the establishment clause (like not selling booze on Sundays), and I'm sure we'd agree about getting rid of them, but this guy's plaque doesn't violate anyone's freedom.
Originally posted by David Floyd
You'd have to be really stupid to think that just because a VERY WELL KNOWN Biblical passage is engraved on a government building, then you have to do what the passage says. Come on.
So what? It is still unconstitutional! It violates the establishment clause. Thus the court's ruling on this issue was perfectly correct.
Originally posted by Berzerker
Government officials telling me about "God" doesn't violate my freedom... Prohibiting them from telling me about "God" violates theirs. Now, we have all sorts of laws that do violate the establishment clause (like not selling booze on Sundays), and I'm sure we'd agree about getting rid of them, but this guy's plaque doesn't violate anyone's freedom.
Your example is wrong. "Not selling booze on Sundays" is completely free of religious connotation (even if it was derived from the rules of a religion), thus it is perfectly constitutional. Give a correct example, and you'll be right. But I don't think there is one...
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