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  • FIFA shuffles around Football World Cup berths

    Since it says 'FIFA', I was pretty sure I could say Football in the title. Hopefull that was a good idea .



    PARIS (AP) -- The 2006 World Cup will remain at 32 teams, with Oceania stripped of its guaranteed berth and South America given the chance to send a fifth team to the tournament through a playoff.

    The executive committee of soccer's governing body on Saturday rejected a proposal by South America to increase the field by four nations to 36. FIFA also said the field will not be increased for the 2010 tournament.

    "Things are so clear and simple with 32 teams," FIFA president Sepp Blatter said. "Give two more here, two more there, sounds easy."

    He said a 36-nation field was impractical "when you have to consider the details, the practical organization."

    The vote was 22-1, with Oceania dissenting and Blatter abstaining. The executive committee voted Dec. 17 to give Oceania a guaranteed spot.

    Ahongalu Fusimalohi of Tonga, Oceania's only executive committee member, said FIFA had made his region a "laughingstock."

    "We're being pushed around as if we never did exist," he told The Associated Press by phone. "If it was so right seven months ago, how can it be so wrong seven months later?"

    Fusimalohi walked out of the meeting in protest along with Australia's Basil Scarsella, the president of the Oceania Football Confederation.

    Scarsella, a nonvoting observer of the executive committee, called the matter a "politically driven decision that's got nothing to do with common sense or the development of football."

    In the past, the winner of Oceania qualifying always met a team from another continent in a home-and-home playoff, and no team from Oceania has played in the World Cup since Australia in 1974. In the last tournament, Australia lost the playoff 3-1 to Uruguay, the No. 5 team in South American qualifying.

    South America had been angered by December's allocation in which its berths were cut to four.

    "The decision shows quality rules," said Argentina's Julio Grondona, an executive committee member.

    FIFA did not determine how the playoff system for the 2006 World Cup would work, but Blatter said options are available.

    Scarsella said Oceania would ask that instead of a simple home-and-home series, the playoff be combined with the one already scheduled between the No. 4 team from the North and Central American and Caribbean region and the No. 5 team from Asia.

    Batter said the decision to strip Oceania of its guaranteed berth was made partly because of infighting among officials of Soccer Australia and the "poor performance" of New Zealand in the Confederations Cup. New Zealand, the Oceania champion, went 0-3 and was outscored 11-1.

    "If FIFA had taken the decision for the distribution for slots for the 2006 World Cup today, Oceania would not have received a full slot," Blatter said.

    Oceania already had agreed to sponsorship deals based on the berth, Fusimalohi said.

    Under the allotment approved by the executive committee in December, Europe was awarded 14 spots, including host Germany, a drop from 15 at the 2002 tournament.

    Africa remained at five teams, and Asia stayed at four teams with the chance to get another berth in a playoff. North and Central America and the Caribbean, which had three spots, was given the chance for a fourth through a playoff with the No. 5 Asian team.


    I think this was a good set up. Oceania never should have gotten a berth in a home-and-home to decide who was going to the WC because they've just sucked royally. It is better to give their berth to North/Central America, who has better teams. I think Oceania should participate in the Asian qualifying.

    Another interesting thing is that Europe had one sport taken away and given to South America. I can just see Bodds yelling up a storm. Personally I'd liked to have seen another home-and-home, with the #15 Europe v. #4 South America for the chance to go.

    Though at least FIFA had the sense to keep the tournament at 32. If they expand in the future, it shouldn't be by 4 teams, but rather 8 (and then making 8 round robin divisions of 5 instead of adding new divisions).

    What do y'all think of this?
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    The problem with a Europe v South America match-up is that the horrific climate in S America for playing football in terribly distorts the two-legged game.
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    • #3
      How many countries are there in S America? 6?
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      • #4
        And there is a reason why the European Championships tend to be a bigger event than the World Cup - you have 16 of the best 20 national teams in the world there.
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        • #5
          And there is a reason why the European Championships tend to be a bigger event than the World Cup


          BULL****!

          You've said some whoppers in your time, but this is probably the biggest!

          The problem with a Europe v South America match-up is that the horrific climate in S America for playing football in terribly distorts the two-legged game.


          I'm sure the South Americans would say the same about cold, clammy Europe. I mean really, who plays football in the cold anyway .
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          • #6
            good move by FIFA on the oceania front, they're just not good enough. i don't know about taking away a european spot, are the teams in SA really good enough to justify that? and although asian teams did well in the last world cup, i think that had more to do with japan and south korea being at home (and some dodgy refereeing ) than the fact that asian teams are good.

            overall i'd like to see how this works and maybe look to change it again if the new countries getting in fail to perform.
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            • #7
              Every footballer has played in "cold" weather (you are nevertheless forgetting that the avergae temperature for play-off in Europe would at the lowest be low sixties).

              I would also say that for the same reasons it is not fair to ask a country to play a play-off against the likes of Ukraine during the winter months.

              "I mean really, who plays football in the cold anyway ."

              It's sport..you run around..cooler weather helps the athlete. But I suppose Americans would like to reduce even the participation in a sport to an armchair game.
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              • #8
                FIFA IS BLASPHEMY... ITS SOCCER DAMMIT!
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  But then again, if qualifying was due to merits it would simply be called the Europe and South America Cup. No other teams would qualify. So other countries need positive discrimination in order to make it a truly World Cup.

                  Don't kid yourself that it has the best teams in there that the world can offer though.
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                  • #10
                    It's sport..you run around..cooler weather helps the athlete. But I suppose Americans would like to reduce even the participation in a sport to an armchair game.


                    Remind me again when the World Cup is? Oh right, June. It's in a hot month, and sometimes played in places where it is very warm in those months (like Florida during USA '94, and the WC in Mexico).

                    Obviously not all football countries play in the cold. After all it is the World Cup, not let's bend over to Europe cup.

                    Europe already gets 14 spots! That's almost half the spots. Perhaps they deserve them, but if you can't be the 14th best team in your region, does anyone really think you'll be able to do anything in the tournament? Maybe they are better than the African 3rd team, but how would you know? They don't play each other. It'd be impractible to have every team play every team to determine who is most worthy.

                    Undoubtably the African 3rd team qualifying allows more people around the world to enjoy the World Cup, and brings more fans in from those countries.

                    And Hell, if they are assured of losing in the round robin, does it REALLY matter who goes?
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                    • #11
                      Exactly. My argument is that we need affirmative action in the World Cup, you know, putting the weaker applicants where they don't deserve to be. Without it, we can't call it the World Cup.
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                      • #12
                        I don't know if all the countries outside of South American and Europe are 'weaker'. Remember that the United States and South Korea got very far last time (and the US almost knocked off the finals loser, Germany).

                        I also remember Cameroon's run in '90 as another example of this.
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                        • #13
                          Weaker teams get so far because there are too many of them?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by C0ckney
                            good move by FIFA on the oceania front, they're just not good enough. i don't know about taking away a european spot, are the teams in SA really good enough to justify that? and although asian teams did well in the last world cup, i think that had more to do with japan and south korea being at home (and some dodgy refereeing ) than the fact that asian teams are good.

                            overall i'd like to see how this works and maybe look to change it again if the new countries getting in fail to perform.
                            not all 32 spots in the worldcup are for the "top teams." FIFA actually sets spots aside to develop soccer globally. thats why europe doesn't hog them all to begin w/. so ur just gna have to accept some crap teams.

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                            • #15
                              Although the ratio for SA countries going to the WC is still pretty high, I can understand that they're kind of pissed when North and Central America now get 4 or even 5 spots!!!! I mean, come on. That means USA and Mexico will always classify.
                              I'd say, lump all America together and make them get 8 spots. That'd be great.
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