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    Interesting article of what happened with West Ham goalkeeper, David James, came to the Miami Dolphins training camp just to play around:



    `They're not the dinosaurs they seem on the telly. They're so much faster than they look.'

    BRITISH SOCCER STAR DAVID JAMES, ON AMERICAN FOOTBALL PLAYERS

    Turns out one of England's best footballers can't kick a football. At least not one with pointed ends.

    England national goalkeeper David James, among the biggest soccer players in Europe at 6 feet 5 inches and 218 pounds, thought it would be fun to spend a day training with an NFL team. Frankly, he said, it didn't look all that hard.

    The NFL, eager to heighten global exposure, was happy to grant James' wish. A dozen British journalists were on hand at Miami Dolphins camp Tuesday morning as James -- dressed in full pads and a No. 1 jersey -- spent nearly four hours working out with kicker Olindo Mare, quarterback Jay Fiedler, receiver James McKnight and defensive back Terrell Buckley.

    So how did James do?

    • He held his own as a receiver with his leaping ability and excellent hand-eye coordination.

    • His passes had distance, but he had trouble throwing a spiral, despite Fiedler's reminders to ``hold it with your fingertips, not your palm.''

    • Oddly, James had the most trouble kicking, saying it was ''completely foreign'' to him.

    ''It's not what I thought it was,'' James said of his NFL experience. ``It's a lot harder. When you see a 25-stone [350-pound] guy actually moving next to you, you realize they're not the dinosaurs they seem on the telly. They're so much faster than they look.''

    He was particularly impressed with running back Ricky Williams.

    `A TANK'

    ''The guy is a tank,'' he said. ``I saw him from the back first and he's as wide as he is tall. Nice bloke, as well. You can really see why he's able to do what he does on the field. He let loose on our last sprint and left me in his wake. Don't have anyone like that in England.''

    Dolphins players were equally complimentary of James.

    ''He's a hell of an athlete,'' McKnight said. ``With a little fine-tuning, and some footwork, he could be a good wide receiver. His hand-eye coordination is superb. I could see him doing any sport, dunking a basketball, playing volleyball, long jumping, anything.''

    James had looked up the NFL field goal record (63 yards) before his trip and thought ''no big deal''. He can crank a round ball the length of a soccer field, so how hard could a 63-yard field goal be?

    Mare, an avid soccer fan and former soccer player, gave the goalkeeper precise instructions on how to strike the oblong ball. But James shanked right on most of his 30-yard field goal attempts, kickoffs and punts. When he finally split the uprights, he beamed.

    The Dolphins, except for Mare, had never heard of James. They had no idea he makes $2 million a year. They didn't know he is in the news this summer because his club, West Ham, was relegated from Premiership to First Division and there was question whether that would hurt has status on the national team.

    What they do know, after four hours with him, is that he is a world-class athlete. James has the strongest arms among English goalies and is known for preparation and fitness. His physique also caught the eye of Georgio Armani, for whom James has modeled on and off over the past seven years.

    ''I can't speak for other NFL players, but I have always respected soccer players,'' McKnight said. ``They must be the best conditioned athletes in the world with the amount of running they do. I've always been amazed at their endurance and precision and accuracy with the ball at their feet.''

    Asked how he'd do at a West Ham practice, McKnight smiled and replied, ``I'd do fine for one day. It's the second day I'd be worried about.''

    Buckley was not as gushing on soccer. Asked to name a soccer player, he thought for a moment and said, ''There's that dude who just signed for $41 million [David Beckham].'' That's where his list ended.

    SOCCER EASY?

    He suggested to Mare that soccer was easier than football, that ''most of the guys just stand around or jog.'' Mare shook his head and informed his teammate that the average NFL play lasts less than 10 seconds while soccer players are in motion for 45-minute halves with no timeouts or huddles.

    Mare then grabbed a soccer ball, and challenged Buckley to defend him. Fat chance. Buckley might be able to tackle a 225-pound receiver on the move and pick off a spiraling football, but stealing a soccer ball from Mare's foot proved harder than he imagined.

    Mare, who hasn't played soccer seriously in 14 years, dribbled past Buckley left, right, and center. Both players laughed as Mare made his point.

    ''These guys wouldn't last in a professional soccer game,'' said Mare, son of an Italian immigrant and huge Juventus fan. ``People here have no idea how hard it is.''

    James said the feeling is mutual. ''Back home, there's a misconception that American footballers are really big guys who hurt people,'' he said. ``There isn't an appreciation for their athletic ability. I will set them straight.''
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • Oddly, James had the most trouble kicking, saying it was ''completely foreign'' to him.


    Not odd for anyone whose watched him play football.
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    • #3
      Johnny Wilkinson should have a go.
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      • #4
        The reason James claimed that kicking is foreign to him is because he's a goalkeeper and doesn't do as much of it as other football players.

        That, and he's actually quite a bad footy player, as BC pointed out.
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        • #5
          AMERICAN FOOTBALL? DON'T YOU MEAN REAL FOOTBALL?

          DA BEARS!
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          • #6
            American Football is for girls.

            Look at Rugby and Rugby League. No pads and these guys don't stop for "rests".
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            • #7
              Sava, you forgot the BANK ONE part.
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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              • #8
                He held his own as a receiver with his leaping ability and excellent hand-eye coordination.


                I'm sure my fellow Brits will join me in a big round of at the thought of James trying to catch a spiralling oval ball while being pressured by a mean safety who's gonna cripple him as soon as he catches it.

                He has HUGE trouble catching a nice spherical soccer ball, while wearing fancy catching gloves, and when any opposition player who so much as breathes on him will give up a foul.

                He does have good hand-eye coordination (after all his short-range shotstopping is first class), but this talent always deserts him when he needs to catch the ball rather than parry it.
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                • #9
                  Also, to Mare and James for their comments in respect of the other athletes.

                  Why some people seem to place these two sports in competition with one another, and argue about which is better, is beyond me. They're completely different games that happen to share the same name. Big ****ing deal.
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                  • #10
                    Look at Rugby and Rugby League. No pads and these guys don't stop for "rests".


                    Yeah, but they also don't have 350 pound guys that can run faster than you or I can .

                    Why some people seem to place these two sports in competition with one another, and argue about which is better, is beyond me.


                    Beats me. I like both . Just want to open the eyes of some that disparage on or the other sport (in this thread so far we have Sava and Agathon ).
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                    • #11
                      I think it's pretty hypocritical that we want to globalize American Football, but don't give Soccer ( ) a chance here.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Agathon
                        American Football is for girls.

                        Look at Rugby and Rugby League. No pads and these guys don't stop for "rests".
                        Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
                        Why some people seem to place these two sports in competition with one another, and argue about which is better, is beyond me. They're completely different games that happen to share the same name. Big ****ing deal.
                        I agree with Frustratedpoet completely... Thought I would just put those two posts side by side.
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                        • #13
                          I give soccer a chance here Franky!! I just wish MLS expanded to Atlanta .
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            I myself had some misconceptions about american football before I got ESPN at my place. But when I actually saw the game, I noticed that it's a very strategical and interesting thing to see (I can't make myself like baseball, though ).

                            Also, it's not really more violent than footb... - well, I'll refer to it as soccer for comprehension's sake - ... than soccer. Because in the american game, you expect to be knocked down. However in soccer, when a player comes sliding with his feet up high and hits the guy in the knee... well, it can cripple someone very easily.

                            So, the two excuses most people here in Brazil have NOT to like american football are, IMHO, pure BS. It's a very enjoyable sport.

                            As for soccer, well, I think USA is bound to develop a liking for it. I mean, it's happening already, there is a league and that only will make the number of fans grow. Also, there are so many foreigners living in there that it's impossible to imagine that this aspect of their culture won't come along.

                            Trust me, after you get a liking for it, there is no coming back. If you want to see what soccer can be like, try looking for:

                            - The 1970's Brazil national team in the World cup - Pele's primetime, and the man is the King;

                            - The 1974's Netherland's national team - the clockwork orange was a soccer machine;

                            - The 1982's Brazil - best national team we ever had IMHO, even better than the amazing 1970 team. It was soccer at it's best, but unfortunately it didn't win that year;

                            - The 1986's Argentina - Maradonna's prime. Now that was one little fella that could play ball.

                            Oh, only thing I want don't get and want to ask for USA citzens... why the heck you guys decided to name that sport "football"? The damn thing is not played with the feet 99% of the time, and that oval thing is hardly a ball...

                            Regards .
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                            • #15
                              The 1982's Brazil - best national team we ever had IMHO, even better than the amazing 1970 team. It was soccer at it's best, but unfortunately it didn't win that year;


                              WOW... better than the 70 team?! That must have been a sight to see then .

                              Oh, only thing I want don't get and want to ask for USA citzens... why the heck you guys decided to name that sport "football"? The damn thing is not played with the feet 99% of the time, and that oval thing is hardly a ball...


                              It's a name given to the sport fairly early before it evolved into what it is now. Remember, in England, you had Association Football (soccer) and Rugby Football. Early American Football was based on the Rugby game, and evolved from there... but we kept the name.

                              Although some have called it 'Gridiron' over the years.
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                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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