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  • #1

    RIAA vs. hackers WAR?

    So when do you guys think it happens?
    To me, it's clearly a matter of time when dedicated hackers are angry to RIAAs arrogance. Don't ever underestimate the power of these guys, hackers from all over the world.

    RIAA is clearly staring a war against file-sharing, suing people left to right for ridiculous amounts of money and pressuring. So, when does the community strike back?
    Organized big attacks, where they destroy their networks, give them something else to think about than suing people who shares files? What do you think will happen? I see it only as a matter of time, and RIAA WILL lose.
    Last edited by Pekka; June 26, 2003, 21:47.
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    Re: RIAA vs. hackers WAR?

    Originally posted by Pekka
    give them something else to think about than suing ordinary people?
    Ordinary people = thieves?
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    • #3
      DD, It's another discussion, the ethics of file-sharing and is it stealing and are those people criminal.

      Let's focus on the becoming war .
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      • #4
        Why? The mafia doesn't like it when you crack down on thier activities. Why should the hacker community be different?
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        • #5
          Why? Because this thread is about the possible war, what happens in it, how it goes, and everything that has to do with the war.

          If you want to talk about the legal sides of file-sharing or their low morals, then you should start your own thread about it!
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          • #6
            Ok, I edited my original message a bit. Happy?
            You are welcome to give your predictions here.
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            • #7
              Ordinary people = thieves?
              Copying files on a computer is not stealing... never will be.
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              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                Go hacker!!!

                When I buy a CD, its mine, I can do as I wish with it, including let people listen to it. Its not stealing anyway, economically speaking, by downloading or distributing a file, I am merely reducing the size of their POTENTIAL market, something that happens everyday in the turbulent world of consumer economics, including to a far greater extent, bad album reviews etc.

                Business must evolve to cope with new technologies, and must work with people like hackers as opposed to against them, history has shown that the hacker will prevail (If I want to copy a protected cd, I'll shove a phono lead from my cd player into my soundcard, and record, its less convenient than cdparanoia, but hey I can cope, I like having my entire music collection on my HDD).

                If business fails to evolve, then it will die, that is the nature of the free market, it is a double-edged sword. If these corps want to stay in business, they gotta stop moaning about power being taken from them and given to the consumer, and actually create products that will make them money.

                In any war, the hackers have the tactical and moral advantage imo, also enormously useful tools and allies in open source software. The battle can only go one way, if we are given means to play the media they sell us, then we can copy it.

                With regards to ownership, when I buy an album, it is mine, and the IP on it, I have bought a part share in it and thus free to do as I wish with the copy I have. A more radical and idealistic idea of mine is that once someone puts data in the public domain, it is public property.
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                • #9
                  The RIAA has to prove that people downloading music would have normally bought their crap anyways. I have about 200-300 songs from artist and albums that I've downloaded that I would not have bought. It's not theft, no matter how much those Bentley driving, diamond wearing, Beverly Hills living *******s say it is.
                  Last edited by Sava; June 26, 2003, 22:09.
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                  • #10
                    My money's on the "hackers."



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                    • #11
                      Yeah, mine too. They can't be won. It's impossible to destroy them, and they have a thing for certain principals, so I don't think they'll be giving up.
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                      • #12
                        The RIAA doesn't have to destroy the hackers to win. They just have to keep going after all the people they can and more and more people will stop offering their MP3 on line out of fear of getting sued by the RIAA. I image people will still try to download but the number of songs available for download will be less and less.

                        Did you notice the RIAA said they were going to target people who offer large numbers of files for download? The solution is to remove files from your shared directory and instead just download the files you want. You'd be a leach but since you're not offering anything for download the RIAA can't take you to court.
                        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • #13
                          How long before Peer to Peer networks offer anomyous downloads with encrypted files? That would throw a monkey wrench into the RIAA's plans.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #14
                            Good point, Oerdin!

                            If anything, the RIAA will just fuel piraters and hackers to create more anonymous methods. They might spark a revolution in file-sharing.



                            way to go RIAA!
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #15
                              i posted this yesterday but no one seemed to notice......

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                              http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/06/25/download.suits.ap/index.html
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                              i periodically remove files from my shared folder to conserve bandwidth but i usually offer 200-500 mp3's for others to download

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