RIAA vs. hackers WAR?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
No, I don't assume that. Hackers in fact only go one way. Even Kevin Mitnick didn't go around breaking into other people's systems for pay. Even black hats rarely do this sort of thing as hired guns.

I am convinced you have not the feintest idea of the truth of human nature.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk


The same paypal-supported fund that hires the lawyers in the first place would also pay out damages, if any.

So, the same people who refuse to pay for music will pay to maintain the right to steal it? I see a flaw in the plan.

[notyoueither]

Ability, not right. Only in communist systems do all have the right to the fruits of someone else's labour without compensation to the producer.

[The Mad Monk]

A little desire for revenge could go a long way...

[notyoueither]

I suspect that would be a long way short of actually paying for anything.

[Seeker]

Are you kidding Dissident?

They are fighting a Hydra. If they chop down one system, all the people that have gotten used to trading will migrate to the next level of security until we really do have true anonymous p2p networks.

The RIAA is driving privacy innovation.

And they may have deep pockets, but we have the forces of consumer laziness and hatred of being ripped off on our side. They CAN'T win.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I am convinced you have not the feintest idea of the truth of human nature.

Do you know who Kevin Mitnick is?

[Jac de Molay]

Originally posted by Seeker
Are you kidding Dissident?

They are fighting a Hydra. If they chop down one system, all the people that have gotten used to trading will migrate to the next level of security until we really do have true anonymous p2p networks.

The RIAA is driving privacy innovation.

And they may have deep pockets, but we have the forces of consumer laziness and hatred of being ripped off on our side. They CAN'T win.

I agree. What the industry needs to do is find a price point for CDs where the trouble of copying music isn't worth it anymore. Maybe $9.99 for new cds?

I remember when dual deck VCRs came out, and people said that piracy would kill the videotape movie industry.
Did producers go after consumers and manufacturers of dual decks? No, they lowered the prices and ended up selling more in the long run, recouping any initial losses with a huge increase in sales volume.

[SlowwHand]

Good point.

Day 2. Any downloads?

I'm thinking of going into Winmx, seeing what's up.

[The Mad Monk]

I have never downloaded an mp3, legal or otherwise.

Maybe I should.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Seeker
Are you kidding Dissident?

They are fighting a Hydra. If they chop down one system, all the people that have gotten used to trading will migrate to the next level of security until we really do have true anonymous p2p networks.

Exactly. As I said earlier, there is radpidly becoming no practical way to defend property interests in music. Well, short of blowing up computers or ending technological improvement. Time for a new business model. iTunes is a decent idea, but the execution has some kinks to work out (including higher sampling rates on the songs!).

And they may have deep pockets, but we have the forces of consumer laziness and hatred of being ripped off on our side. They CAN'T win.

Moreover, the RIAA won't have deep pockets for long the way CD sales are going. Of course, distributing good CDs might help. Do we really need another JLo album? Another Peter Yorn? No, we don't.

[Soul Survivor]

they can only hand out so many lawsuits, with 10+ million users in the US alone.... and only with a few hundred lawsuits being handed out it will be very difficult to stop without shutting down the servers. sure people in the US might be scared off from sharing files, but they'll just download files from users in other countries and move them to a non-shared folder.

if they lowered the prices of cd's to a reasonable level say $10 - $14 i would personally download significantly fewer MP3's..... right now the biggest problem i see with cds is cost, i'm not willing to pay $18 - $20 a cd if i'm not %100 sure i like it

they're fighting an uphill battle, the more of these things they try to shut down the more customers they alienate

[Seeker]

Here in Canada or Korea I've no fear.

Feel free to suck all the Johnny Cash and Wagner off me you want.

I think the only 'pop song' I actually haven't deleted yet is EZ E's 'I'm on the Radio' and 'Lithium'.

And in Korea...

(Jaws)
"I don't know what a Korean ISP might do with that American injunction...might it eat I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair once."

[optimus2861]

Originally posted by The Templar
Exactly. As I said earlier, there is rapidly becoming no practical way to defend property interests in music. Well, short of blowing up computers or ending technological improvement. Time for a new business model. iTunes is a decent idea, but the execution has some kinks to work out (including higher sampling rates on the songs!).

Agreed. The RIAA business model, which regards CDs as the end product, is dying a slow death. If they don't come up with a new business model in the next 5-10 years, I think they'll be all but dead. Suing your potential customer base is a page right out of "Public Relations Disasters 101".

I'm surprised that we're not seeing a stronger move to DVD music sales, with 5.1 surround sound recordings, artist interviews, live performances, etc as an alternative. It seems like such a no-brainer with the explosion in DVD sales over the past 5 years or so. Consumers have shown they're willing to pay $19.99 for the DVD of a $75 million movie; when those same consumers see a music CD, which couldn't have cost 1/10 of the movie to make, going for that same price, they know damn well who's doing the gouging and who's offering a quality product.

[gunkulator]

RIAA can't win the technology battle so they'll continue to work in the political realm.

All you music "sharers" *cough*thieves*cough* high-fiving each other for sticking it to the RIAA only work to give them more ammo in their fight to invade our privacy. The overt flaunting of music copying leads to successful lobbying for anonymous searches of our hard drives. Each major ISP will have to comply with what will eventually amount to an open-ended search warrant.

The penalties will stiffen too. Those of us who exceed the speed limit on a daily bass know that if we get caught, the worse thing that'll happen is a small fine and then we can be on our merrier way. So of course we all do it. If speeding carried a penalty of a $10,000 find plus 6 months in jail, there'd be a whole lot less of it. The RIAA will continue to lobby for greater and greater punishments.

Sure the uber-hackers will continue to get away with copying music back and forth, but Joe Sixpack will weigh the hassle vs. benefit vs. the potential penalties and realize that's it makes far more sense to shuck out $18 for a CD instead.