Sun Microsystems slapped, judge tosses out Java order for MS

[Urban Ranger]

Just in case any of you haven't noticed, MS isn't in the clear yet. The Appellate Court merely have stated that Sun hadn't provide enough evidence for its broader assertion. However, MS was caught redhanded distributing an incompatible version of JVM:

Sun's case builds on a previous legal assault on its rival, which began in October 1997 and alleged that Microsoft violated its license agreement by distributing incompatible versions of Java and deceptively promoting those versions as compatible.

It is entirely possible for Sun to provide additional evidence, or for Motz to limit his previous ruling. It's too bad that MS isn't above the law, innit?

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Glorious!

I hate Suns java. It's so unstable and slow.

Microsoft is MUCH better.

Are you insane? Microsoft's is a perverted bastardization of Java 1.1. The current version is the very different 1.4, but you can't write web applets with it because MS is still stuck in the dark ages.

MS killed Java on purpose. They deserve the worst.

[Sava]

I program in Java... I like MS's better.

[Asher]

MS killed Java and replaced it with a cleaner programming language, a far better VM design, and a far faster VM.

Sun killed Java through litigation and pissing MS off. You've no idea how much of a grudge McNeally holds...

One thing you don't do is piss MS off -- when MS makes a far faster VM, you work with them rather than sue them.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Sava
I program in Java... I like MS's better.

What good is it if your program cannot run on other platforms?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
What good is it if your program cannot run on other platforms?

I thought we explained this to you already?

The .NET CLR has a BSD, OS X, Linux, and Windows virtual machine that works.

So you write in any of the 22+ .NET languages, run it on any of those OSes you want. Like Java, only far faster.

[Urban Ranger]

Re: Sun Microsystems slapped, judge tosses out Java order for MS

Originally posted by Asher
Sun would be better of spending money on R&D and making competent products rather than *****ing about MS.

It seems they didn't learn from Netscape's mistakes.

Ah yes, only you can applaud MS's lawbreaking, anti-business behaviour.

[Sava]

If people want to use anything I write, tell them to get with the program!

Personally, I don't really like MS, but Windows is fine for me.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
MS killed Java and replaced it with a cleaner programming language, a far better VM design, and a far faster VM.

That's rubbish. MS did not have the right to alter the language. They can invent another language and call it C#.

Originally posted by Asher
Sun killed Java through litigation and pissing MS off. You've no idea how much of a grudge McNeally holds...

One thing you don't do is piss MS off -- when MS makes a far faster VM, you work with them rather than sue them.

Ah, but you are completely wrong. HP and Dell will include Sun's JVM with their computers. Who cares if Windows attempted more underhanded tricks?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
I thought we explained this to you already?

The .NET CLR has a BSD, OS X, Linux, and Windows virtual machine that works.

So you write in any of the 22+ .NET languages, run it on any of those OSes you want. Like Java, only far faster.

How is this relevant to MS's illegal distribution of its own JVM?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's rubbish. MS did not have the right to alter the language. They can invent another language and call it C#.

They called it J++, if you'll recall.

Ah, but you are completely wrong. HP and Dell will include Sun's JVM with their computers. Who cares if Windows attempted more underhanded tricks?

Underhanded tricks?

You make it sound like Microsoft is obligated to ship competitor's products with their OS under thread of litigation.

That's not illegal (why do you think the court threw out that decision, genius ), nor is it anti-business.

[Kuciwalker]

It's not illegal. Unless you are thinking copyright violation because of the name.

Yes, they have the right to alter the language! Why not? If they can turn out a BETTER PRODUCT, well, kudos to them!

(EDIT: this was in response to UR )

(EDIT: btw, I actually use Sun Java though, because I have the compiler for it, I was taught it in school, and I like the online javadocs)

[Asher]

Originally posted by skywalker
It's not illegal. Unless you are thinking copyright violation because of the name.

Yes, they have the right to alter the language! Why not? If they can turn out a BETTER PRODUCT (which, btw, is FREE!), well, kudos to them!

What Urban Ranger is being silly about, is Java is Sun's Intellectual Property and theirs alone.

You see, unlike MS, Sun is hogging Java and demanding complete control over it. MS submitted C# to the ISO and European standards committee (its name escapes me at the moment), and Sun refuses to do so.

Sun is killing Java through their own stupidity. MS is just accelerating it by offering better alternatives.

The only thing illegal here was Sun's demand MS include Java.

[Kuciwalker]

Yeah, that's just STUPID.

[Q Classic]

i used to like sun.