Sex in the city...

[David Floyd]

AS - I grew up.

But admit it. Prostitution shouldn't be illegal any more than promiscuous sex WITHOUT an economic aspect should - if it's diseases you are worried about, you should want to illegalize all sex outside of marriage.

[Al B. Sure!]

David Floyd:

yeah basically... i think pre-marital sex should become taboo like it used to be... and drilled into people's minds that it is wrong.

hell, i think most married people should stop having sex and make sure who they with is who they can raise kids with what with this ridiculous divorce rate and what not

[Al B. Sure!]

and David...

when you grow up, you're supposed to become more conservative... hopefully this is just your early 20's radical stage...

[David Floyd]

yeah basically... i think pre-marital sex should become taboo like it used to be... and drilled into people's minds that it is wrong.

But that's a personal belief - do you actually think pre-marital sex should be illegal?

[David Floyd]

"Anyone under 20 and not liberal has no heart, and anyone over 40 and not conservative has no brain" - Winston Churchill paraphrase

[Al B. Sure!]

David:

well it's very inpractical to make it illegal illegal... i just think it should be taboo (hell, it used to be so it shouldnt be too hard to go back to that) and that people whether married or not should stop having sex for a little bit and get their **** straight

[David Floyd]

So, then, you don't actually think prostitution should be illegal, just frowned upon?

Or does your opposition to prostitution involve something other than promiscuous sex?

[Al B. Sure!]

yes it involves other things besides disease, etc. i don't care to see women ruining themselves and being reduced to prostitutes... and men can't have respect for ladies if there's prostitutes around because to the man's mind... if one's a whory slut, there's plenty more women who are

[David Floyd]

So, essentially, you think prostitution should be illegal because you personally don't like the image of it.

Now is that a good criteria for deciding what should be illegal?

Personally, I don't like prostitution either. But I know that my personal likes and dislikes shouldn't be enforced on others - we should let others make their own decisions, and their own mistakes, and only intervene if they are hurting someone besides themselves.

[Al B. Sure!]

what personal likes and dislikes? most americans are against prostitution...

and i dont like this bull**** about letting people make their own mistakes when in today's world, people dont got the chance or the knowledge to make the right decisions. until we do, we got to prevent each other from harming themselves.

[Al B. Sure!]

i'm sorry, dave, but the big difference between a conservative and a libertarian is that conservatives care about people.

[David Floyd]

what personal likes and dislikes? most americans are against prostitution...

So what? I'm against prostitution, in that I don't think it's a very good idea. But banning prostitution makes no logical sense UNLESS you also want to ban premarital sex. But that doesn't make any sense either, from a point of view concerned with freedom. And good luck finding conservatives who want to ban premarital sex. But if they want to ban prostitution but not premarital sex, they still look silly, so it's sorta a no-win scenario.

and i dont like this bull**** about letting people make their own mistakes when in today's world, people dont got the chance or the knowledge to make the right decisions. until we do, we got to prevent each other from harming themselves.

Oh really? In the United States, most people don't have enough knowledge to realize that having sex with prostitutes JUST MIGHT, MAYBE be unhealthy?

Please.

i'm sorry, dave, but the big difference between a conservative and a libertarian is that conservatives care about people.

Now that's just a silly personal attack.

[Al B. Sure!]

So what? I'm against prostitution, in that I don't think it's a very good idea. But banning prostitution makes no logical sense UNLESS you also want to ban premarital sex. But that doesn't make any sense either, from a point of view concerned with freedom. And good luck finding conservatives who want to ban premarital sex. But if they want to ban prostitution but not premarital sex, they still look silly, so it's sorta a no-win scenario.

what are you talking about?

1) prostitution is sex for money... that dont seem abhorrent to you?
2) prostitutes are ruining their lives by keeping them in a cycle of poverty and prostitution (THE reason why people are against prostitution!)

i think those two are good enough reasons to be opposed to prostitution... i have no idea where the hell you're coming from. you're getting bizarre in your thinking, david.

Oh really? In the United States, most people don't have enough knowledge to realize that having sex with prostitutes JUST MIGHT, MAYBE be unhealthy?

no i'm talking about the prostitute herself who did not have nothing to support her and get her through life so she became a prostitute... once everybody got a happy home, people can make their own mistakes... but until then, all you got is the people like us in philly making mistake after mistake cause we don't know better or see it as our only path...

Now that's just a silly personal attack.

i think it's very apt... and libertarians themselves would say that they don't see any need for institutions such as the gov't to help others in any way.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It is sort of weird how someone from the inner city doesn't know where to go to get a hooker.

I think its nice.

[David Floyd]

what are you talking about?

1) prostitution is sex for money... that dont seem abhorrent to you?

I wouldn't do it, but I'm not gonna tell others that they can't. It isn't hurting me.

2) prostitutes are ruining their lives by keeping them in a cycle of poverty and prostitution (THE reason why people are against prostitution!)

I don't feel sorry for stupid people. If someone is making them be a prostitute, that isn't an argument against prostitution, but rather one against coercion, so don't even try that argument.

i think those two are good enough reasons to be opposed to prostitution...

Define "opposed". If you mean that those reasons are good reasons to not engage in it yourself, or have sex with prostitutes, then absolutely. If you mean those are reasons to criminalize prostitution, then absolutely not.

no i'm talking about the prostitute herself who did not have nothing to support her and get her through life so she became a prostitute... once everybody got a happy home, people can make their own mistakes... but until then, all you got is the people like us in philly making mistake after mistake cause we don't know better or see it as our only path...

Oh, I see, so again, it comes down to the fact that you think people should be prevented from doing stupid stuff. You are also making an argument that government should baby people and play mommy and daddy to those who are poor, which doesn't sound very conservative to me.

i think it's very apt...

Oh, you were thinking? Well, I guess you see where that gets you.

Pssst. I can do personal attacks too. Now stop.

and libertarians themselves would say that they don't see any need for institutions such as the gov't to help others in any way.

Oh, I certainly see the point of such institutions, I just don't consent to being forced to support them. If you want to have an organization to help the poor or support the homeless, GREAT! Fortunately, organizations for those purposes are already in place, such as Goodwill, the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, etc. Contributing to one of those is your best bet for making an impact - there's no need for more, in most cases.

But don't force me to support your own, personal, moral crusade.