SW vs. ST: Round 2

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
That was some type of speace beast

Really? I was under the impression it was an artificial construct.

I like how Lonestar is ignoring the incompetence of stormtroopers now.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Really? I was under the impression it was an artificial construct.

I like how Lonestar is ignoring the incompetence of stormtroopers now.

Look 9 posts up, highspeed.

So, describe the Large combined Arms army that the Federation...Klingons...Dominion...hell, anyone has for me.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Unless The Shadow ship gets directly aft of the main engine, It'll be hit by one of the 120 TL turrets. And it will be hit by the 70+ TIEs.

Asuuming, of course, that it's escorts wouldn't hit it.

TIE fighters are not very impressive, and the shadows have their own. And ISD do have limited arcs of fire, which is a huge disadvatnge. Also, their weapons fire blats, not prolonged beams. I am sure the Shadows could oevrwhelm shield geenrators in key parts of imperial ships and blow them up, leaving the shpts very vulnerable, specially given that command centers are so convieneintly placed in one exposed location.

Suck out the power?

I do know the shadow Death cloud used Nuclear tipped missiles, and if a Rebel converted cruise liner can withstand dozens of Nukes ( from ROTJ novelization) then a Battleship certainly can.

IN the last battle in B5 between the allience and the Vorlons and Shadows, the Shadow planet killer engulfed the allience fleet and begun to suck out the power of all their ships. Oh,and the missiles carried are multi-gigaton wepaons, much more powerful than the average photon torpedo. Plus they were designed to drill deep into planets. If they can travel 300 miles through solid rock and them the pressures inside a planet, well, I am sure they can deal with SD's.

Vorlon Ships were trashed during the last battle by Megaton nukes too.

As i said, excuse the B5 writers for not just adding magic shields to all the ships.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Look 9 posts up, highspeed.

So, describe the Large combined Arms army that the Federation...Klingons...Dominion...hell, anyone has for me.

Well, earthforce has one. I don;t know about the other races. The Minbari have a warrior caste and I must assume they know how to fight wars then.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
"Grand Admiral, there's a big ole cone heading this way."

"Give it a broadside."

How would that deal with the neutronium hull?

In any event, it's non-existant, unless you want to set the Milky Way date as Late 23rd century....

It's reasonable to assume that they made more than one. Anyway, I only brought it up because GePap said Trek lacked planet killers.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lonestar
So, describe the Large combined Arms army that the Federation...Klingons...Dominion...hell, anyone has for me.

It's a naval show (You should like that). The description of the army has been given the short shrift.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap


TIE fighters are not very impressive, and the shadows have their own. And ISD do have limited arcs of fire, which is a huge disadvatnge. Also, their weapons fire blats, not prolonged beams. I am sure the Shadows could oevrwhelm shield geenrators in key parts of imperial ships and blow them up, leaving the shpts very vulnerable, specially given that command centers are so convieneintly placed in one exposed location.

I would wager that if the ISD was really that threatened it would hit the Hyperdrive.

And it's Crusier escorts would be covering it's ass.

IN the last battle in B5 between the allience and the Vorlons and Shadows, the Shadow planet killer engulfed the allience fleet and begun to suck out the power of all their ships.

Can't remember that happening, so I can't comment on it.

Oh,and the missiles carried are multi-gigaton wepaons, much more powerful than the average photon torpedo.

Since A turbolaser Turret cranks out 200 GT a shot, it's safe to say ISD shields would be built to withstand at least several of those impacts.

Plus they were designed to drill deep into planets. If they can travel 300 miles through solid rock and them the pressures inside a planet, well, I am sure they can deal with SD's.

You are wrong!!!!!

As i said, excuse the B5 writers for not just adding magic shields to all the ships.

Stop going off topic!

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by a Trektard
How would that deal with the neutronium hull?

It would make it 'splode good.

Originally posted by a Trektard
It's a naval show (You should like that). The description of the army has been given the short shrift.

In a combined 27 years of Series franchises we have never seen anything to indicate the Federation has a Trained Army.

In DS9, the Klingons had Morters, the Federation didn't.

A "Hopper" was mentioned, but never seen. (Huey analog?)

In the 10 odd Movies with seen one ground vehicle...a jeep. Wee! That'll stop that Walkers, infantry, Gunships, hover scouts, scout bikes, Cloud Cars, Bombers and artillary!

[Thrawn05]

[on a cold foggy night, Thrawn05 crawls out of his grave. Ready to terrorize Apolyton once more.]

Damn, I go away for a few months and what do I see when I return? A Nerd thread. I guess this is just a dry spell between Civ3 and Civ4.

BTW: Empire rules, rebels suck. End of story.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Dumbass
It would make it 'splode good.

You base this on what exactly?

In a combined 27 years of Series franchises we have never seen anything to indicate the Federation has a Trained Army.

It's a naval show (You should like that). The description of the army has been given the short shrift.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lonestar


I would wager that if the ISD was really that threatened it would hit the Hyperdrive.

And it's Crusier escorts would be covering it's ass.

And why would the cruisers still be around?

Can't remember that happening, so I can't comment on it.

It did.

Since A turbolaser Turret cranks out 200 GT a shot, it's safe to say ISD shields would be built to withstand at least several of those impacts.

So it takes several; it will still be destroyed, specially since the shields won;t be working.

You are wrong!!!!!

The inside pressures of a planetary core, or the defenses of a SD?hmmm, which is tougher?

Oh, and in B5 we have telepaths to read your puny imperial minds and mess with them. The force isn;t nearly as good mind reading wise.

oh, and we have God too, to smite yer asses. we aren;t a bunch of aethists (like in Trek) or pagans (like in SW)

[Drake Tungsten]

Oh, and in B5 we have telepaths to read your puny imperial minds and mess with them.

The mental powers of the B5 universe are nothing compared to the awe-inspiring abilities of those from the Duneverse.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You base this on what exactly?

Star Destroyers have Neutronium hulls too. Clearly, 200GT is at or above the magic number to break a neutronium hull.

It's a naval show (You should like that). The description of the army has been given the short shrift.

There's been at least two DS9 episodes where the Army is shown prominiently. They are very poorly organized. And ill-equipped.

So, once the landings begin on a Federation world, that Federation world is hosed.

Assuming it's important enough not to just threaten a BDZ if they don't surrender.

And why would the cruisers still be around

Covering the exit. ISD comes around and kills 'em good.

So it takes several; it will still be destroyed, specially since the shields won;t be working.

I find it unlikely that ISDs would sit still while a big ole cloud is heading towards them.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten


The mental powers of the B5 universe are nothing compared to the awe-inspiring abilities of those from the Duneverse.

Are you sad no one is paying attention to you and the Duneverse?

[GePap]

I find it unlikely that ISDs would sit still while a big ole cloud is heading towards them.

You assume that their sensors would pick it up in time.

Also, I assume that the cloud travels in hyperspace for long jumps: You can;t see something coming form hyperspace, and if it opens a jump point (or just phases back into real space like the shadows do), there is not much the ID's can do.