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Howard Dean is a frickin' idiot!
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That may be so, but Lieberman's a conservative compared to he rest of his party, with the possible exception of Zeller.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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"It is hard to see how a centrist like Liberman can separate himself from Bush, given how much security and the aftermaths of the wars will weigth on the coming elections."
If you dont think domestic issues will matter much in 2004, than how does Dean win??? Unless Iraq in fall 2004 looks like Viet Nam in 1968, with dozens of US deaths a week, I dont see him winning on foreign affairs.
Big states - Texas no. Florida no. Illinois and Ohio - if the race is dominated by security rather than economics, no. New York - if he's running on a dovish view of the Mid East, probably not (theres a reason Hilary sat next to Leiberman when Dubya gave his speeches on Iraq) California - hard for any Dem with an unpopular governor there - can you really mobilize East LA better by talking about multilateralism than by talking about health insurance??
Nah, I dont see the strategy."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
"It is hard to see how a centrist like Liberman can separate himself from Bush, given how much security and the aftermaths of the wars will weigth on the coming elections."
If you dont think domestic issues will matter much in 2004, than how does Dean win??? Unless Iraq in fall 2004 looks like Viet Nam in 1968, with dozens of US deaths a week, I dont see him winning on foreign affairs.
Big states - Texas no. Florida no. Illinois and Ohio - if the race is dominated by security rather than economics, no. New York - if he's running on a dovish view of the Mid East, probably not (theres a reason Hilary sat next to Leiberman when Dubya gave his speeches on Iraq) California - hard for any Dem with an unpopular governor there - can you really mobilize East LA better by talking about multilateralism than by talking about health insurance??
Nah, I dont see the strategy.
Dean has an army oif supporters willing to work for him. The other have not being able to show a passionate base whatsoever.
And if dean is so far behind, what the heck was your first post about? how would Dean get the nomination if you keep saying he oculd never win this state or that state? To get the nomination he would have to win those delegates in thier primaries, no?If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Originally posted by GePap
Becuase we are more than one year from the elections, so polls right now are meaningless. Election victories are built on groundwork. (where was Bill Clinton in Dem. polls back in 1991?) Dean has a corp of highy motivated staffers and voluteers laying down the groundwork. The other guys?
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And its hardly surprising he has motivated staffers and volunteers. So did George McGovern. Im not saying he can't win the nomination. Given early wins in Iowa and New Hampshire to gain "momentum" and money, and continued split among the new dems, its quite possible.
But winning the general is something else entirely. And i thought you meant more by "doing so well" than gathering staff and volunteers. But if thats all you meant, than i will not dispute it."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That may be so, but Lieberman's a conservative compared to he rest of his party, with the possible exception of Zeller.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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Originally posted by GePap
Bush doesn't have much of a chance in California anyway. Wen the "serious" rep candiate is Ahnold, come on. Again, you are handicapping a race a year in davance, which is absurd. No one, one year in advance, would have picked Bill Clinton to be running in 1992, far less win. (oh, and NY is not likely to vote rep. no matter the stance on the ME, which is not a crucial issue for most of the electorate when compared to local social issues like gun control or abortion).
Dean has an army oif supporters willing to work for him. The other have not being able to show a passionate base whatsoever.
And if dean is so far behind, what the heck was your first post about? how would Dean get the nomination if you keep saying he oculd never win this state or that state? To get the nomination he would have to win those delegates in thier primaries, no?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by GePap
. No one, one year in advance, would have picked Bill Clinton to be running in 1992, far less win. (oh, and NY is not likely to vote rep. no matter the stance on the ME, which is not a crucial issue for most of the electorate when compared to local social issues like gun control or abortion).
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by GePap
(oh, and NY is not likely to vote rep. no matter the stance on the ME, which is not a crucial issue for most of the electorate when compared to local social issues like gun control or abortion).
Now thats not to say Dubya doesnt start at a disadvantage in New York - but a dem to beat him needs the swing constituencies, and somebody who blows all but the most dovish elements of the pro-Israel constituency, in a race that by your own statement will largely be about foreign policy, is unlikely to win in NY."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by GePap
PLATO: if no one expects honesty from a politican, you won;t get it. And if voters know politicians lie, who are the dumbasses? The Pols, or the citizens? I say citizens.
How's Dean's record on this? Given National politics, this would be more important than weather or not he used the correct phraseology to explain a statement."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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