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  • #16
    Furthermore, the inefficiencies created by having multiple weapons programs hidden from each other, particularly in a country with limited access to expertise and materials, make it unlikely in my view.

    About 1/3rd of the Iraqi economy was military-related. I guess I disagree with your view.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #17
      lololololololol

      Bush made a mistake. If he was going to lie to the American people, he should have waited until his third or fourth year of his term to wage war. That way, he wouldnt have to worry about his credibility (ie. we wouldnt find out that he was lieing until he was reelected) I guess everyone is human.

      About 1/3rd of the Iraqi economy was military-related. I guess I disagree with your view.
      So? This is just manipulation of statistics. A more accurate representation of how strong the Iraqi military is would be to look at gross expenditure (in dollars), compare their military versus ours in terms of morale, firepower, mobility and technology. And thats where you argument falls flat. Maybe they spent a large proporation, but if that proporation is small, which it is, then they arnt a threat.
      "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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      • #18
        well normally I'd be against UR on this one.

        But I have to say I'm disappointed by the administrations actions these past 6 months. If weapons of mass destruction turned up, it would be a different story.

        But I do believe they had weapons of mass destruction at one time, but probably got rid of most of them in the mid 90's. In fact I think they got rid of all their weapons of mass destruction, but just kept the laboratories and plans so if need be they can resume production at one point in the future.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          I'm kind of curious why UR is taking a position to the left of Blix. If your going to ***** abotu the Iraq war, WMD is the least relevent point to attack.
          Scores of dead Brits and Americans, thousands of dead Iraqis. Chaos, looting, censorship of the people we supposedly freed.

          The stated purpose was to find WMDs. Now where the hell are they? Or did Bush get thousands killed just to wag the dog on the economy?

          I'd say the WMDs is a primary ****ing question.
          - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
          - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
          - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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          • #20
            even a war supporter like myself has to question where they are. Personally I don't give a **** about Iraq having WOMD. I was happy to see the regime gone either way.

            But you have to admit that Bush based the war upon finding them. If they are not there, he either lied to us, or he had faulty intelligence. If there was faulty intelligence, some head have to roll- like the CIA director being fired for one.

            And if Bush lied to us, he needs to be voted out.

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            • #21
              Oh I should add one more thing in Bush's defense since someone mentioned us capturing top Iraqi officials.

              Latest word has it none of them are talking. And since we can't torture them, and they know this, they aren't likely to talk. (not that I'm advocating torture here).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Templar
                The stated purpose was to find WMDs. Now where the hell are they?
                So if they find the WMD, would that justify the war in your eyes? It wouldn't for me.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  If your going to ***** abotu the Iraq war, WMD is the least relevent point to attack.
                  What would you pick? The mess Bush and his cronies are creating there now?
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #24
                    finding the WOMD's wouldn't justify the war for everyone. But it would make Bush look like he wasn't lieing to to the american public.

                    I'm used to politicians lying, but that is about taxes and such. People are dying here, I expect a certain degree of honesty.

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                    • #25
                      If they find WMDs, it still means they lied. They don't know **** about Iraq's weapons, but told us all kinds of specifics, and said they knew so much more.

                      The only alternative to lying is that they really believed their own propaganda.
                      “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                      • #26
                        Were they lying when they said, "Osterreich ist bunt!!"?
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dissident
                          finding the WOMD's wouldn't justify the war for everyone. But it would make Bush look like he wasn't lieing to to the american public.
                          And not just the american public.

                          Internationally it was always said by representatives of the government that WMDs are the reason for War.

                          So he lied also to the Coalition of the willing, the UN and, to be more general, to the whole world.
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                          Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                          • #28
                            "Were they lying when they said, "Osterreich ist bunt!!"?"

                            Of course not. They may even write you a new line if you kindly ask them.
                            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                            • #29
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                              • #30


                                However, it doesn't matter. Bush says "yes", the facts say "no", but guess who will be saying "yes" on the news?
                                meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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