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    from washington post

    Hatch Takes Aim at Illegal Downloading

    WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.

    The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright abuses represent a dramatic escalation in the frustrating battle by industry executives and lawmakers in Washington against illegal music downloads.

    During a discussion on methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

    "No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

    "I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

    The senator acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

    "If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.

    "There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.

    Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., who has been active in copyright debates in Washington, urged Hatch to reconsider. Boucher described Hatch's role as chairman of the Judiciary Committee as "a very important position, so when Senator Hatch indicates his views with regard to a particular subject, we all take those views very seriously."

    Some legal experts suggested Hatch's provocative remarks were more likely intended to compel technology and music executives to work faster toward ways to protect copyrights online than to signal forthcoming legislation.

    "It's just the frustration of those who are looking at enforcing laws that are proving very hard to enforce," said Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department cybercrimes prosecutor and associate professor at George Washington University law school.

    The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against Internet file-traders, targeting the most egregious pirates with civil lawsuits. The Recording Industry Association of America recently won a federal court decision making it significantly easier to identify and track consumers - even those hiding behind aliases - using popular Internet file-sharing software.

    Kerr predicted it was "extremely unlikely" for Congress to approve a hacking exemption for copyright owners, partly because of risks of collateral damage when innocent users might be wrongly targeted.

    "It wouldn't work," Kerr said. "There's no way of limiting the damage."

    Last year, Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., ignited a firestorm across the Internet over a proposal to give the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies. It would have lifted civil and criminal penalties against entertainment companies for disabling, diverting or blocking the trading of pirated songs and movies on the Internet.

    But Berman, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary panel on the Internet and intellectual property, always has maintained that his proposal wouldn't permit hacker-style attacks by the industry on Internet users.


    surely he doesn't really think this is a good idea?

    (note: this should have gone in the first post... but for some reason, poly seems to be running @ss slow and didn't accept that post at all.)
    B♭3

  • #2
    Since when did copyright laws take precedence over property and privacy laws? Oh wait....nevermind.
    DULCE BELLUM INEXPERTIS

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    • #3
      Damn. I want what he's been smoking.

      Then again, no I don't.

      Here's how to get in touch with the bastard: http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.c...ffices.Contact

      Fill out the form and tell him what y'all think. Keep it short, and be polite - rudeness does nothing to enhance your position, and there might be filters that dump messages with offending words.

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      • #4
        I've been having trouble with the form that I linked above... some BS about the email field needs filling out, even though it is filled out.

        Here are his offices and their phone numbers: http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/index.c...n=Offices.Home

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        • #5
          So, now every body knows what a lot of us from Utah already knew, Orrin Hatch is an idiot.

          Of course, not enough Utahns know, otherwise he wouldn't kepp getting re-elected.

          ACK!
          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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          • #6
            Don't blame me... blame Tassadar.

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            • #7
              I think the re-elect him because he is head of the Senate Judiciary Commitee.

              A Utah senator with power.


              ACK!
              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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              • #8
                what i find funny is that the guy who is sorta speaking for the riaa isn't for this at all...

                i'd like to see what happens when they hit a good hacker who has friends...
                B♭3

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                • #9
                  I like to imagine that, were his dutiful wife/servants to starch his collar just a tad more, Hatch's head would pop off like a champagne cork.
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #10
                    His eyes do bug a little, don't they?



                    ACK!
                    Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                    • #11
                      another one added to my hit list

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                      • #12
                        According to the article, Hatch's real motive may be to rush the industry into protecting themselves better, not to actually pass legislation (inspite of his rhetoric). But wouldn't that just be dandy if the first time the industry flipped the switch, a few million computers blew up all around the world.

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                        • #13
                          This is actually regurgitated talk from the good ol' days of M$, Lotus, et al *****ing about piracy of application software back in the early MS-DOS days.

                          It's a joke, because all of the real technical horsepower is on the downloader side of the fence, not on the RIAA side.

                          The exemption from liability bit won't work at all, because all of the RIAA members have international markets and international presence, so if they **** around with someone's computer in the EC for example, they can be held liable there.

                          Hatch is smart enough* to not just vent for the hell of it, so he's trying to rattle somebody's cage, even if it's just to play "bad cop."

                          * smart enough in the sense that any politician who gets reelected enough times learns to only run your mouth for a reason.
                          When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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                          • #14
                            * smart enough in the sense that any politician who gets reelected enough times learns to only run your mouth for a reason.
                            Exactly! He's evil, but smart. But who really knows? Maybe he just didn't think through the implications of his idea. It's not like idiotic legislation never gets passed in Washington...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

                              Hatch is smart enough* to not just vent for the hell of it, so he's trying to rattle somebody's cage, even if it's just to play "bad cop."

                              * smart enough in the sense that any politician who gets reelected enough times learns to only run your mouth for a reason.
                              Nah, Trent Lott got reelected enough times - and still shot off his mouth.

                              Hatch has the good fortune to be a dumb mormon cracker in a state filled with dumb mormon crackers.
                              - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                              - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
                              - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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