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  • Why Capitalists are Capitalists...

    there seems to be this crazy idea in the minds of most leftists here that anyone who is capitalist only wants to be the next bill gates... that, however, is so horribly untrue...

    i am sure 90+% of pro-capitalists have no realistic intention of trying to be a multi-millionare... their reasons for being capitalists are in no way as materialistic and selfish as some delusional leftists seem to think...

    One major reason for capitalism is the idealogical reason derived from Protestantism and the Enlightenment that people should decide their own fate and not have any government (or tyranny of the majority) determining what they will spend their lives doing or what they will do with their money. Even if corporations seem to infringe upon this control of one's one destiny, an individual in a capitalist society can start his own business or enter a different field and continue to control his own fate.

    This is a very appealing idea shared by everyone from CEO's to street vendors selling t-shirts and oils... Capitalism allows you to chose what you will become. Your field may not be very profitable but profitable fields do exist for you to enter.

    Furthermore, the idea of there being no government dipping into people's pockets is appealing to pro-capitalists... hell, it is appealing to just about every single American. The US was founded by colonists who didn't want to pay taxes and wanted to have self-determination.

    There's also practical reasons for being a capitalist, chief among them is that capitalism has been successful. While Marxist idealogies require a fundamental change in the nature of man, capitalism makes do with imperfect men and works. The standard of living in capitalist countries has always risen and new technologies and cheaper and better consumer products have always been made.

    There's also the matter of leftist groups harming business and thus harming the livlihood of the people. Nearly every city in the US is proff of this where very influential and usually corrupt unions priced themselves out of work and the city governments themselves, dominated by the unions, made cities inhospitable to businesses, taxing them, regulating them, etc. as a result, industry is completely gone from the cities and all that remains are some service jobs (McDonalds, etc.) and some white collar office jobs. Had city governments been more capitalistic and had the unions not been so encompassing, business growth would have been significant in the cities and more jobs would have been created.

    Those are the reasons why capitalists are capitalists... we have no intention of being billionaires... we only want to have an economic system that works and is morally right...


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    I'm a capitalist because I do want to be a millionare. I admite I'll probably be 50 or 60 by the time I reach that point but time, and compound interest, is on my side.

    BTW a little bit of greed is a good thing. The desire to improve your living conditions is a powerful motivator if acted upon.
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    • #3
      Oerdin:

      yeah but you got no REALISTIC intention of being a multi-millionare... if someone just gave me a dozen million dollars, hell i'd take it but thats not why i'm in favour of a capitalist system.
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      • #4
        Re: Why Capitalists are Capitalists...

        Originally posted by Albert Speer
        there seems to be this crazy idea in the minds of most leftists here that anyone who is capitalist only wants to be the next bill gates... that, however, is so horribly untrue...

        i am sure 90+% of pro-capitalists have no realistic intention of trying to be a multi-millionare... their reasons for being capitalists are in no way as materialistic and selfish as some delusional leftists seem to think...

        One major reason for capitalism is the idealogical reason derived from Protestantism and the Enlightenment that people should decide their own fate and not have any government (or tyranny of the majority) determining what they will spend their lives doing or what they will do with their money. Even if corporations seem to infringe upon this control of one's one destiny, an individual in a capitalist society can start his own business or enter a different field and continue to control his own fate.

        This is a very appealing idea shared by everyone from CEO's to street vendors selling t-shirts and oils... Capitalism allows you to chose what you will become. Your field may not be very profitable but profitable fields do exist for you to enter.

        Furthermore, the idea of there being no government dipping into people's pockets is appealing to pro-capitalists... hell, it is appealing to just about every single American. The US was founded by colonists who didn't want to pay taxes and wanted to have self-determination.

        There's also practical reasons for being a capitalist, chief among them is that capitalism has been successful. While Marxist idealogies require a fundamental change in the nature of man, capitalism makes do with imperfect men and works. The standard of living in capitalist countries has always risen and new technologies and cheaper and better consumer products have always been made.

        There's also the matter of leftist groups harming business and thus harming the livlihood of the people. Nearly every city in the US is proff of this where very influential and usually corrupt unions priced themselves out of work and the city governments themselves, dominated by the unions, made cities inhospitable to businesses, taxing them, regulating them, etc. as a result, industry is completely gone from the cities and all that remains are some service jobs (McDonalds, etc.) and some white collar office jobs. Had city governments been more capitalistic and had the unions not been so encompassing, business growth would have been significant in the cities and more jobs would have been created.

        Those are the reasons why capitalists are capitalists... we have no intention of being billionaires... we only want to have an economic system that works and is morally right...


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        • #5
          Tassadar:

          you know damn well that is almost nothing... it's basically only six real paragraphs...

          or is the communist scared that these few paragraphs will completely ruin his perception of capitalism and capitalists?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Albert Speer
            Tassadar:

            you know damn well that is almost nothing... it's basically only six real paragraphs...

            or is the communist scared that these few paragraphs will completely ruin his perception of capitalism and capitalists?
            He's right Tassadar, I read the whole thing and it says nothing.



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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tuberski


              He's right Tassadar, I read the whole thing and it says nothing.



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              • #8
                Originally posted by Albert Speer
                Oerdin:

                yeah but you got no REALISTIC intention of being a multi-millionare... if someone just gave me a dozen million dollars, hell i'd take it but thats not why i'm in favour of a capitalist system.
                You need to think big my friend. If you are 25 and you invest $5000 dollars per year for five years and then stop when you are 30 then just let the money site you will be a millionare by the time you retire. That of course assumes an 11% rate of return (stocks have averaged 12% per year since 1945). Now imagine if you don't stop saving at 30. What happens if you keep saving the same amount (or *gasp* increase the amount you save as your salary goes up)? Why then my friend you will most likely be a multimillionare and that isn't even counting if you buy a house or other large appriciating asset.
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                • #9
                  Oerdin: Who is that in your avatar?
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                  • #10
                    That is King Arthur from Monty Python's Holy Grail...... you Philistine.

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                    • #11
                      I want to be rich so I can govern how I live, and not have someone else doing that for me
                      Monkey!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tassadar5000
                        Oerdin: Who is that in your avatar?
                        If you don't knw then I'm not telling you.

                        Damn foreigners.
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                        • #13
                          I already told him..... the damn foreigner.



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                          • #14
                            I think us passive capitalists dont see anything INHERENTLY wrong (not regarding implimentation) with capitalism, so allow it, tolerate it, and encourage it.

                            Active capitalists are the ones who want to be a success, make money for themselves, the usual life of mediocrity stuff, or become trillionares.
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                            • #15
                              Are you implying there is something inherently immoral about being a multibillionare?
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