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  • #16
    Originally posted by Agathon
    Threadjackers! Ban the lot of them Ming!

    the Guardian prints an article about how oppressive life in NY allegedly is, and i post an article on anti-americanism among Lefties in the UK - seems like a pretty logical follow-on to me.
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    • #17
      Only on a very superficial level, lotm. I assure you, NY papers have been far more strident about this than anyone else.

      Besides, how was the Guardian article anti-american in tone? It was just highlighting the ludicrous police actions. No mention of Bush or rightwingers or anything was made. Your article was indeed irrelevant.
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      • #18
        I was actually surprised, LotM, at how non-offensive the Guardian article was. It wasn't anti-american at all, which was quite refreshing coming from that publication.

        And the NYC papers have been rabid about it, because it sells (which the Guardian article points out).

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        • #19
          Boris, I read with shock and horror your opinion on poor pigeons.
          They just want a little love, and you don't stop there.
          Feeders of said-pigeons, drawn and quartered?

          You NY people are mean. Low-down rotten mean.








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          • #20
            Fine, we'll ship them to Texas, and you can deal with them. I have a feeling you'll be eager for target practice after a few days.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Boris Godunov
              Only on a very superficial level, lotm. I assure you, NY papers have been far more strident about this than anyone else.

              Besides, how was the Guardian article anti-american in tone? It was just highlighting the ludicrous police actions. No mention of Bush or rightwingers or anything was made. Your article was indeed irrelevant.
              The aside which implied that killings of civilians by New York cops is routine.

              do you want me to quote that again?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by lord of the mark


                The aside which implied that killings of civilians by New York cops is routine.

                do you want me to quote that again?
                Again, that's a criticism of NY cops, not anti-Americanism. Still not relevant. If you don't have anything useful to add, etc.

                For the record, more than one innocent person was killed by NY cops. The NYPD abuse of authority is an ongoing problem, of which the deaths were of the highest profile incidents, and that of Amadu Diallo.

                Even most NYers acknowledge the NYPD has a problem in this regard. So what's your complaint again?
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                • #23
                  I know this is off course some, but do you have grackels in NY ?
                  We have pigeoons, but we have these black grackels.
                  Crapping to the max black birds.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Boris Godunov

                    For the record, more than one innocent person was killed by NY cops.
                    when was the last one - and a deliberate or negligent killing, not a genuine accident - the reporter said "really bad cops".
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                    • #25
                      always say yes to texas

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by lord of the mark
                        when was the last one - and a deliberate or negligent killing, not a genuine accident - the reporter said "really bad cops".
                        That would be May, 2003. Two unprovoked killings that month, and certainly negligent:

                        The unprovoked killings last month of two unarmed workers by police in New York City are symptomatic of both growing class tensions in the city and the increasing militarization of New York’s police department as it wages its twin “wars” on terrorism and drugs.


                        I know the source will be criticized, but these two incidents are quite real.

                        I'll also remind you that Diallo was shot 41 times, and had entry wounds in the soles of his feet.

                        And then there's the oh-so-wonderful plunger incident...
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                        • #27
                          recent killings by NY cops

                          from the "gotham gazette"


                          "Alberta Spruill, 57 and African American, died of a heart attack May 16th after Special Operations police, acting on a bad tip that the apartment contained munitions, tossed a stun grenade into her Harlem apartment as she dressed for work, handcuffing her even after finding no guns in the place. The medical examiner's office has ruled the death a homicide, but blame has yet to be assigned. Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly have apologized for the incident and acknowledged the obvious, that something was terribly wrong with this raid. Bloomberg's response has been noted to be in stark contrast to that of his predecessor in police misconduct cases. Rudy Giuliani almost always sided with the police, exacerbating racial tensions. "

                          Blame not yet assigned - new approach from bloomberg.
                          not the impression one gets from the Guardian.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            I know this is off course some, but do you have grackels in NY ?
                            We have pigeoons, but we have these black grackels.
                            Crapping to the max black birds.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Boris Godunov


                              That would be May, 2003. Two unprovoked killings that month, and certainly negligent:

                              The unprovoked killings last month of two unarmed workers by police in New York City are symptomatic of both growing class tensions in the city and the increasing militarization of New York’s police department as it wages its twin “wars” on terrorism and drugs.


                              I know the source will be criticized, but these two incidents are quite real.

                              I'll also remind you that Diallo was shot 41 times, and had entry wounds in the soles of his feet.

                              And then there's the oh-so-wonderful plunger incident...

                              both of those were years ago, and only one was a killing. The guardian specifically referred to killing.
                              As you see i found a source on one of the May deaths, and no, its not clear what the fault was there.
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                              • #30
                                Re: recent killings by NY cops

                                Originally posted by lord of the mark
                                Blame not yet assigned - new approach from bloomberg.
                                not the impression one gets from the Guardian.
                                Well, whoop-de-do, but that's not the point. If Bloomberg is going to be more responsible about NYPD abuses and negligence, I'm happy, but that doesn't change the Guardian's point about the killings.

                                And again, nothing there translates to anti-Americanism, nor relates to your own article. It was a rather obvious attempt to change the subject out of some bizarre hypersensitivity. Being a NYer, I think it's a valid editorial and makes an excellent point.

                                Bloomberg's next outrage is in the works: prohibiting bartenders from buy-backs.
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