New Yorkers: is this true?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Agathon
Threadjackers! Ban the lot of them Ming!

the Guardian prints an article about how oppressive life in NY allegedly is, and i post an article on anti-americanism among Lefties in the UK - seems like a pretty logical follow-on to me.

[Boris Godunov]

Only on a very superficial level, lotm. I assure you, NY papers have been far more strident about this than anyone else.

Besides, how was the Guardian article anti-american in tone? It was just highlighting the ludicrous police actions. No mention of Bush or rightwingers or anything was made. Your article was indeed irrelevant.

[Arrian]

I was actually surprised, LotM, at how non-offensive the Guardian article was. It wasn't anti-american at all, which was quite refreshing coming from that publication.

And the NYC papers have been rabid about it, because it sells (which the Guardian article points out).

-Arrian

[SlowwHand]

Boris, I read with shock and horror your opinion on poor pigeons.
They just want a little love, and you don't stop there.
Feeders of said-pigeons, drawn and quartered?

You NY people are mean. Low-down rotten mean.

[Boris Godunov]

Fine, we'll ship them to Texas, and you can deal with them. I have a feeling you'll be eager for target practice after a few days.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Only on a very superficial level, lotm. I assure you, NY papers have been far more strident about this than anyone else.

Besides, how was the Guardian article anti-american in tone? It was just highlighting the ludicrous police actions. No mention of Bush or rightwingers or anything was made. Your article was indeed irrelevant.

The aside which implied that killings of civilians by New York cops is routine.

do you want me to quote that again?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The aside which implied that killings of civilians by New York cops is routine.

do you want me to quote that again?

Again, that's a criticism of NY cops, not anti-Americanism. Still not relevant. If you don't have anything useful to add, etc.

For the record, more than one innocent person was killed by NY cops. The NYPD abuse of authority is an ongoing problem, of which the deaths were of the highest profile incidents, and that of Amadu Diallo.

Even most NYers acknowledge the NYPD has a problem in this regard. So what's your complaint again?

[SlowwHand]

I know this is off course some, but do you have grackels in NY ?
We have pigeoons, but we have these black grackels.
Crapping to the max black birds.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

For the record, more than one innocent person was killed by NY cops.

when was the last one - and a deliberate or negligent killing, not a genuine accident - the reporter said "really bad cops".

[Bereta_Eder]

always say yes to texas

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
when was the last one - and a deliberate or negligent killing, not a genuine accident - the reporter said "really bad cops".

That would be May, 2003. Two unprovoked killings that month, and certainly negligent:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/nypd-j04.shtml

I know the source will be criticized, but these two incidents are quite real.

I'll also remind you that Diallo was shot 41 times, and had entry wounds in the soles of his feet.

And then there's the oh-so-wonderful plunger incident...

[lord of the mark]

recent killings by NY cops

from the "gotham gazette"


"Alberta Spruill, 57 and African American, died of a heart attack May 16th after Special Operations police, acting on a bad tip that the apartment contained munitions, tossed a stun grenade into her Harlem apartment as she dressed for work, handcuffing her even after finding no guns in the place. The medical examiner's office has ruled the death a homicide, but blame has yet to be assigned. Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Kelly have apologized for the incident and acknowledged the obvious, that something was terribly wrong with this raid. Bloomberg's response has been noted to be in stark contrast to that of his predecessor in police misconduct cases. Rudy Giuliani almost always sided with the police, exacerbating racial tensions. "

Blame not yet assigned - new approach from bloomberg.
not the impression one gets from the Guardian.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I know this is off course some, but do you have grackels in NY ?
We have pigeoons, but we have these black grackels.
Crapping to the max black birds.

"In other news, the pidgeon, also known as the 'Feathered Rat', was completely eradicated due to the Bolivian Tree Lizards released upon Springfield. Young Bart Simpson will be honored at a Ceremony this afternoon!"

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


That would be May, 2003. Two unprovoked killings that month, and certainly negligent:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/nypd-j04.shtml

I know the source will be criticized, but these two incidents are quite real.

I'll also remind you that Diallo was shot 41 times, and had entry wounds in the soles of his feet.

And then there's the oh-so-wonderful plunger incident...

both of those were years ago, and only one was a killing. The guardian specifically referred to killing.
As you see i found a source on one of the May deaths, and no, its not clear what the fault was there.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: recent killings by NY cops

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Blame not yet assigned - new approach from bloomberg.
not the impression one gets from the Guardian.

Well, whoop-de-do, but that's not the point. If Bloomberg is going to be more responsible about NYPD abuses and negligence, I'm happy, but that doesn't change the Guardian's point about the killings.

And again, nothing there translates to anti-Americanism, nor relates to your own article. It was a rather obvious attempt to change the subject out of some bizarre hypersensitivity. Being a NYer, I think it's a valid editorial and makes an excellent point.

Bloomberg's next outrage is in the works: prohibiting bartenders from buy-backs.