Leviticus 11, or The Unexpectedly Unclean Hoopoe

[Tassadar500]

You are right. Imagine if I would say that about the Bible or Koran. And to let you know I am a French Jew

[Tassadar500]

Also in Judaism there isnt only the "Torah" or Bible but also different books. Like the "Gemora" and "Chumash" which may explain. You cant really believe that eating humans is ok. Just because you cant find it in the Chrisitian Bible.

[Arrian]

Bustamike,

DAMN! I knew I'd left something out there. Haven't seen it in a while.

Nuc Winter,

I doubt it will make you feel better, but I'm sure that Immortal Wombat is similarly disrespectful of the Bible, Koran, or any other nonesensical mystical rambling.

-Arrian

[Jack the Bodiless]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
Also in Judaism there isnt only the "Torah" or Bible but also different books. Like the "Gemora" and "Chumash" which may explain. You cant really believe that eating humans is ok. Just because you cant find it in the Chrisitian Bible.

Nor can you assume that it's in those books, without checking.

Is it?

[The Templar]

As the great American philosopher Chris Rock once noted, back in the day you had to tell people God said don't eat pig because you coud get trichinosis. Now that we have refrigeration, know about germs, and know how to properly cook things alot of these prohibitions are obsolete.

[Jack the Bodiless]

...True, pork is dangerous because of the diseases common to humans and pigs.

And human flesh is even worse. Which is why the apparent lack of an "unclean" label is all the more surprising. And increasingly suspicious...

These guys DID perform human sacrifices occasionally. And they were in the habit of burning sacrifices. Without a specific ban: what's to stop a curious and hungry priest from trying a bite from the barbecue?

[Tassadar500]

No we never had human sacrafices. That is not true. It does say we cant in those books. My name is not Nuc Winter and I find you all to be quite racist. Just my two cents.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
It does say we cant in those books.

Source?

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Nuclear Master
My name is not Nuc Winter and I find you all to be quite racist.

[Plan Austral]

If I recall correctly according to jewish law, human corpses are impure, you even have to wash your hands after touching one, that is why it is kinda obvious you can not eat them.

[Immortal Wombat]

So it's ok if they aren't dead?

Originally posted by Arrian
I doubt it will make you feel better, but I'm sure that Immortal Wombat is similarly disrespectful of the Bible, Koran, or any other nonesensical mystical rambling.

To be fair, I am a Christian, so although I will happily poke fun at the Bible (and the OT in particular), God knows its all in good fun, and that I love him really

[Jack the Bodiless]

No we never had human sacrafices. That is not true.

Then the Torah is wrong? Numbers 31 describes the sacrifice of 32 captured virgins (among other things).

Why do you find this so surprising? This was a time in which the Jews practised blood sacrifice and genocidal warfare (the total slaughter of all captives, including women and children). Why should they NOT choose to slaughter some of those captives by using them as blood sacrifices, as so many other ancient peoples did? Why is this so much worse than slitting their throats without sacrificing them, then sacrificing goats by slitting THEIR throats?

It does say we cant in those books.

Maybe it does NOW, yes. I'm certainly not suggesting that modern Jews do this! You think I'm a neo-Nazi Jew-hater or something?

And how is discussing archaic religious practices "racist"?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by obiwan18


Noted.

I am unclean according to Jewish Law.

"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

Matthew 15:11, and that's all I'm going to say on the issue of Jewish dietary laws.

all human beings are unclean under jewish dietary law - ie it is forbidden to eat their flesh. Eating pork will not make you unclean - it will (if you are a jew) make you a sinner. The Matthew therefore cant be referring to kashrut - IIRC, its actually a reference to disputes about correct tithing, etc.

You have however cleared up the whole rationale - what does it matter what comes out of a mans mouth?? because in doing so he communicates whats in his heart. And when a Jew who knows the law keeps it, he communicates something. When a jew who knows the law violates it, he communicates something. The laws of the torah thus give us a constant opportunity to assert our beliefs about God and our relationship to him - and not only by words, but by an entire range of actions. Thats what kashrut is about - not germs.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Jack the Bodiless

Then the Torah is wrong? Numbers 31 describes the sacrifice of 32 captured virgins (among other things).

it says in the translation im using that the lords portion was 32 virgins. It does not say they were slain.
You may be inferring that they were slain, since they are listed with various beasts. However in Judaism that would not be considered a valid inference, if it contradicted later prohibitions in the bible (for i which i do not have a quote handy) OTOH you may not be speaking in terms of how Judaism treats the document, but treating it as a historical document. Which is even more problematic, since the entire exodus (and with it the war against the Midianites described) is problematic.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by FrustratedPoet


Source?

"When Hashem(the lord) , your God, will cut down the nations where you come to drive them away from before you, and you drive them away and settle in their land, beware for yourself lest you be attracted after them after they have been destroyed before you, and lest you seek out their gods saying, 'How did these nations worship their gods and even I will do the same.' You shall not do so to Hashem your God, for everything that is an abomination of Hashem, that He hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons and their daughters have they burnt in fire for their gods." Deut 12:29-31