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Should the US Have a Consitutional Amendment that Prohibits the Government Lying?

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  • #16
    In the case of national security, the government can simply say they niether confirm nor deny.


    Which basically says to the reporter.... Yeah, we got it .
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      But don't we want misleading information at times, such as in cases of national security. If a journalist asks if we have such and such weapon and the guy says no or something?
      A case could be made here. You could use the press to disseminate false information to fool enemies. The down side is, after a couple of times, no one trusts the press or the govenment anymore. Just look at the Soviet Pravda (eventually used as toilet paper), the New York Post (best used as toilet paper - but not very absorbant), or Fox news (watched only by people who don't want to be bothered by the truth).

      I would prefer the "no comment response". Even on obvious stuff (does that dingy have nukes? No comment). This preserves the integrity of information. You figure if the government is too tight with information, hopefully the people will vote the bums out.
      - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
      - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
      - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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      • #18
        The down side is, after a couple of times, no one trusts the press or the govenment anymore.


        Like anyone trusts the government now?
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          In the case of national security, the government can simply say they niether confirm nor deny.


          Which basically says to the reporter.... Yeah, we got it .
          I type too slow I guess to be timely

          But I disagree - you can read a "no comment" in various ways.

          "Did you capture Bin Ladin?"
          "No comment"

          Could mean (a) no we didn't, and we don't want to admit how bad we suck, or (b) we got him and we don't want anyone to know just yet. You just think in circles.
          - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
          - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
          - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            The down side is, after a couple of times, no one trusts the press or the govenment anymore.


            Like anyone trusts the government now?


            OK, the government could start building trust again.
            - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
            - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
            - "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming

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            • #21
              Why don't you just say it templar? You hate the US and hate everything it stands for. I just about had it with your antagonizing behavior..
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                The down side is, after a couple of times, no one trusts the press or the govenment anymore.


                Like anyone trusts the government now?
                Oh come off it. You know there are lots of people, some who argued here, that the government wouldn't lie about something this important.

                I find that gullibility goes up when your party is in power, and your cynicism goes up with the other party is in power. Since my party is never in power, I'm always cynical.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #23
                  Stop with the personal crap... Or I'll stop it in a way you won't like.
                  Keep on Civin'
                  RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                  • #24
                    Oh come off it. You know there are lots of people, some who argued here, that the government wouldn't lie about something this important.


                    Slowwhand, Ned, and Fez don't count .
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #25
                      Slowwhand, Ned, and Fez don't count


                      Yup, they really don't count
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                      • #26
                        Fez never counts.
                        He's just a ...
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                        • #27
                          I find that gullibility goes up when your party is in power, and your cynicism goes up with the other party is in power. Since my party is never in power, I'm always cynical.

                          urgh.NSFW

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Fez
                            I just about had it with your antagonizing behavior..
                            Good thing for you Ming got here before I did. He won't always get to your posts first.

                            When I tell you to chill and cut the bull****, it doesn't mean for the next two or three posts afterwards, then back to the usual.

                            Seems to me you're in need of a little "attitude adjustment."
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                            • #29
                              Seems to me we have laws that prohibit the folks in government from stealing and cheating, but they do it just the same!
                              Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


                                Good thing for you Ming got here before I did. He won't always get to your posts first.

                                When I tell you to chill and cut the bull****, it doesn't mean for the next two or three posts afterwards, then back to the usual.

                                Seems to me you're in need of a little "attitude adjustment."
                                www.my-piano.blogspot

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