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Yeah, I'd like some elaboration as well, David, because it's been my impression so far that you've been advocating the isolationist "it's their business" stance?
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If Saddam got killed for what he did, that might have been a deterrant.But that wouldnt have been effective. His heirs are as bad as he is/was.
DD,
What doesn't compute.
El Awrence,
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Actually I've moved a bit away from that, on the same reasoning that it's perfectly moral to step in and stop a mugger from robbing an old lady. The key, though, in either case, is that the action to stop the "mugger" must be voluntary - both in terms of finances and actions.Yeah, I'd like some elaboration as well, David, because it's been my impression so far that you've been advocating the isolationist "it's their business" stance?Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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That you believe killing people can be done on the cheap. We tried that for years with Castro.Originally posted by David Floyd
DD,
What doesn't compute.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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It's the not getting caught part that's tough, not the killing part.That you believe killing people can be done on the cheap. We tried that for years with Castro.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Yes. That's where the expensive part comes in.Originally posted by David Floyd
It's the not getting caught part that's tough, not the killing part.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Actually, the Bush admin. would do as much as the original Bush admin. China is too big and too imporant for leaders of the US to do a damn. Plus, since China is a permanent SC Member, the most sanctions states could place on each other would be at the national, local level. But since China is now part of WTO, the type of scope of sanctions placed by any other WTO members is unclear, no, unless mandated by the UNSC, which would not be.Originally posted by Gatekeeper
The world community would likely play the "worried" role, enact a few sanctions, and that's it. Then Bush would step in and upset the apple cart, and his administration would be accused of making the world a more dangerous place.
Sorry, the cynic in me took over for a moment ...
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Plus if the Chinese call the people terrorists.....
Sadly, state with power get away with murder.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Right, but I don't care about getting caught.Yes. That's why the expense comes in.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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*sigh* there you go again, DF, sticking your nose into the business of another soveriegn nation's affairs. It's not your business, 'member?
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It's my business in the same way that an old lady getting mugged in front of me is my business.*sigh* there you go again, DF, sticking your nose into the business of another soveriegn nation's affairs. It's not your business, 'member?Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Ah, well, it's just that I've never met a real schizophrenic.
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El Awrence - is it murder to shoot someone who is trying to shoot you, or another innocent?Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Not your fault, Dave....remember? Don't worry 'bout it.
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But I have a moral means to prevent it. If I stood aside, it wouldn't be murder - it would be, as someone said earlier, callous indifference, which is also bad. If there is a moral means to prevent immorality, then we should ALWAYS take that means (with the exception that the means involves us dying, in which case it becomes a personal value judgement).Not your fault, Dave....remember? Don't worry 'bout it.Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/DaveDaDouche
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Does that not represent a rather fundamental shift for you?
I mean, you are practically FAMOUS here on 'poly for the "not our business, not our problem, don't get involved" approach ESPECIALLY when it concerns interfering with a soveriegn nation. NOW you're saying that you're willing to impose your own belief system on what is right and wrong and interfere if you percieve an injustice? D'you not see a shift in that?
For the record, I agree....if I see something that doesn't sit well with me, I'm gonna interfere, whether some folks think I ought to or not. They can gripe at me later.
I'm just....surprised to hear it coming from YOU...welcome to the party...
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