What's wrong with community policing?

[Al B. Sure!]

I don't know how the cops are in the suburbs but here in philly, they are hardly great...

They never seem to be around when something serious is going on but they suddenly show up to harass people about minor crimes...

Sometimes i swear the true violent criminals never get arrested while the cops just go and mess with teenagers who smoke on the corner or be selling dimes... they get arrested, go to juvenile, then come right back out and do the same nonsense cause now they can't get a job with their records...

so while the cops are all doing that, somebody gets shot and nothing comes of it...

add in allegations of profiling and brutality and the police forces in the US are looking real bad...

would vigilantes do any worse?


thanks

[Space05us]

citizens arrest, ever hear of it?

[Al B. Sure!]

Space:

Un-armed citizens arresting violent criminals... nah...

[Space05us]

so arm yourselves, OR you could take care of the petty thugs and drug dealers so the police would have no excuse to not arrest the violent ones. Unless you believe drug dealing is okay, in which case you're screwing yourself.

[Dinner]

How hard is it to get a concealed weapons permit in Phily? Shouldn't be to hard for someone with a clean record.

[Spiffor]

Neighborhood watch is a good idea only when the police is incompetent and cannot protect the population satisfactorily (like it seems to be in your neighborhood).

When the police is competent, neighborhood watch most often means expeditionary judgements and 'justice', and often follow a few predjudices or the few directives of a charismatic leader by doing their job. This means a bad procedure, and this means the ignorance of the suspect's rights.

In Germany, there have been occurences of neighborhood watches in calm villages (where they were hardly useful), where the elderly living there called the cops anytime thay saw a stranger who 'looked suspicious' (i.e any stranger ). It made the village extremely unfriendly and was a waste of cop's time, as well as a problem for the trangers venturing there.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oerdin:

i believe concealed weapons are illegal in philly. i may be wrong though.

[Kirnwaffen]

Concealed weapons are illegal in most cities, unless you have a permit. You can generally inquire at your local police station or sheriff's department.

[Kidlicious]

Vigilante Justice is pretty effective, but it gets out of control. It could get the cops to do a better job though. I think we should just pay cops more and hire more of them.

[Dinner]

Most big cities start their cops off in the high 40s to low 50s and have them top out around 65-70. If you ask me that is pretty good pay for someone who just has a college diploma.

[Skanky Burns]

Vigilante Justice is useful in GTA, but that's about it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Most big cities start their cops off in the high 40s to low 50s and have them top out around 65-70. If you ask me that is pretty good pay for someone who just has a college diploma.

The pay should be whatever will bring in the good cops. Look at L.A.. I think they get decent pay, but they have a severe shortage.

[MichaeltheGreat]

D'oh. There's neighborhoods in LA where you don't want to go in anything less than a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

The problem is if you want cops with brains - most people with brains wouldn't want to be an LA cop, unless they have some other motivation.

[Al B. Sure!]

well looks like my boy and his idea of the Brown Panthers might be the only alternative to the police...

maybe in a couple years, i'll get me a gun and we can chase out the criminals.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
D'oh. There's neighborhoods in LA where you don't want to go in anything less than a Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

Now you're talkin'. We need about 500.