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  • #1

    nVidia caught cheating on benchmarks

    This isn't exactly up-to-the-minute news (linked article was published on Monday), but I don't recall seeing a thread on it before.

    MegaGames
    http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/gfx5900caughtcheating.shtml


    "We have now established that nVidia's Detonator FX drivers contain certain detection mechanisms that cause an artificially high score when using 3DMark03. We have just published a patch 330 for 3DMark03 that defeats the detection mechanisms in the drivers and provides correct results." this is how Futuremark introduce their latest patch for their popular 3DMark03 software.

    According to Futuremark when the patch was applied a drop of as much as 24.1 per cent was observed in certain nVidia products, while competition products performance-drop stayed within the margin of error of 3 per cent.


    Cheating =
    Getting caught =
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    VIVA RADEON!!!

    (I've hated nVidia to death ever since they took over 3dfx and stopped supporting it, just when win XP came out. Now I have to play all my Glide games in a dual-booted win 98.)
    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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    • #3
      I heard Nvidia has a lot of performance problems with its 5600 and 5800 (I think it was) it recently put out.. those cards performed rather poorly when put up against ATI.

      http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030416/radeon_9600-28.html


      http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030416/radeon_9600-07.html#unreal_tournament_2003


      And check out the other tests there..

      They show the serious performance deficencies in Nvidia boards.

      Now Nvidia is cheating? Naughty, naugthy, naughty!
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #4
        Re: nVidia caught cheating on benchmarks

        Originally posted by FrustratedPoet

        Cheating =
        Getting caught =
        or rather,

        Cheating ==
        Getting caught ==

        I saw this a gamespot (I think) at the weekend but forgot to post it.

        master zen, you still play Glide games? I don't know why NVidia bought 3DFX as they were on their arses anyway, they had no new technology and to get faster boards they had to keep just putting more chips on them, the price/performance ratios towards the end were shocking.

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        • #5
          Re: Re: nVidia caught cheating on benchmarks

          master zen, you still play Glide games? I don't know why NVidia bought 3DFX as they were on their arses anyway, they had no new technology and to get faster boards they had to keep just putting more chips on them, the price/performance ratios towards the end were shocking.
          yeah, well my computer is a lousy P3 500 with a Voodoo3 3000 which back in the day was a heckuva card!

          Some glide games I play are mostly flight sims: Falcon 4.0, European Air War, Jane's F-15, F/A-18. Most of those are better than the sims out today and Glide looks much better than using any other type of 3-D rendering.

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          • #6
            You like that sort of 'shiny' look (best word i could think of, sorry), I kinda miss it myself, Hexen that sort of thing

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            • #7
              Yeah

              Falcon 4.0 to me shows the biggest difference between Glide and Direct3D. Simply stunning graphics for a game which came out 5 years ago
              A true ally stabs you in the front.

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              • #8
                This is so stupid, ATI gets equivalent performance boosts by the same methods.

                All graphics cards makers do it, all have done it, and all will still do it. It only makes sense to optimize your drivers so the benchmarks are higher for you.

                I'm completely dumbfounded why the headlines say "Nvidia gets caught cheating", when ATi was "busted" as well (and even more dumbfounded that people are surprised??)
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                • #9
                  Well it is called capitalism. Live with it or move to the caves. I am not complaining about any company cheating. To boost profits will be good for the economy. If the cheating is in the terms of the law that is.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #10
                    Not too sure how this will be good for NVidia's "economy", but sure, whatever Fez.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      This is so stupid, ATI gets equivalent performance boosts by the same methods.

                      All graphics cards makers do it, all have done it, and all will still do it. It only makes sense to optimize your drivers so the benchmarks are higher for you.

                      I'm completely dumbfounded why the headlines say "Nvidia gets caught cheating", when ATi was "busted" as well (and even more dumbfounded that people are surprised??)
                      This doesn't sound like 'optimizing', maybe I'm wrong....

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by reds4ever
                        This doesn't sound like 'optimizing', maybe I'm wrong....
                        It's optimizing to the extreme.

                        ATI does it too, you know. That's why they take 9-20% performance hits in the same tests where Nvidia does.

                        Game makers know that 3DMark and Quake III will be used.

                        Hell, Nvidia designed the NV35 HARDWARE based on Doom III, not just the drivers...
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                        • #13
                          Ah, Doom III, now that game is going to cost me a LOT of money, Iv'e got fast processor but a GF2 and a SDR M/B, so I'm looking at 250 GBP to play the game! Or I may just get it for my XBox...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JohnT
                            Not too sure how this will be good for NVidia's "economy", but sure, whatever Fez.
                            That is a classic Fezification, though, you have to admit.
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                            • #15
                              You get your PM MtG?

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