The darkness of superstitions recedes a bit more

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Not 100%, but if these glowing spheres have been established to be linked with ghosts, showing the existence of these spheres would be constitute some pretty strong evidence for ghosts.

by who? if ancient greeks saw lightning they would say its zues' thunderbolts...we know better than that now...you cant read more into something without scientific evidence.

[Nubclear]

UR is chinese....It doesn't surprise me that be does not believe what he cannot understand

However it is OK, for I know that they exist, and that is enough for me. In fact, more than enough

[mrmitchell]

I personally feel that "ghosts" and all the theories of them are bull, but when it's captured onto photograph (the light bounces off something in a certain way or the picture is just plain wierd or something, I dunno) it makes me doubt it.

For example, I know a man who used to give tours of an old house...he got a snapshot of a ghost, no phototricks, no editing, there's a ghost in the picture...turned up after it was developed, too (at a regular old walmart IIRC.) Things like that are recorded evidence and thus chips away at the strong logical foundation that is my disapproval of the Ghost as a real being, but...lost my train of thought. Large analogies can do that.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
UR is chinese....It doesn't surprise me that be does not believe what he cannot understand

However it is OK, for I know that they exist, and that is enough for me. In fact, more than enough

But how do you know? Where does this belief come from?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
It's scientifically proven that human cells emit large amount of energy (in forms of EM waves) before the body finally shuts down. Could ghosts come from people whose cells emitted extra-ordinary amount of energy?

Also, science is still in its infancy. Of the 4 fundamental forces, only electro-magnetic force is well understood and characterized. We still know very little about the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and the gravitational force.

Guess what EM waves are? Light. Yep, I emitted light, and so I become a ghost it's not like the light's gonna come BACK. Plus, individual cells do not emit vast amounts of energy. Most ORGANISMS have small electromagnetic fields, formed by the electrical impulses in their nervous system, but it doesn't conain any processing capabilities, appearance, or persistance after death.

Oh, and those other two forces don't have a range larger than the diameter of an atom (much smaller, actually). This is actually an absolute value.

[Kuciwalker]

I suggest looking for dirty old ghoulies in the womens shower room.

Nonetheless, there might be something to the ghost thing. Some sort of residual magnetic effects after death? Who the hell knows.

"Residual magnetic effect?" The magnetic field of a person is formed by the NERVE IMPULSES. These kinda stop when you die

If you mean the Electro-Weak-Interaction.... Can you explain why the weak nuclear force and em force are considered the same?

They aren't, exactly... at very high energies they behave the same.

[Kirnwaffen]

You know, this study has proven nothing. Period. This psychologist went out, collected a large quantity of inconclusive data, then "interpreted" it to mean what he wanted it to.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Lorizael


But how do you know? Where does this belief come from?

I dunno

[DaShi]

Bah! How can there be ghosts, if there is only one soul?

[chequita guevara]

What about pink unicorns behind the moon?

[DaShi]

What about them?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
It seems that the best way to destroy undead beings such as ghosts, spectres, and etc is to use high-intensity, high-frequency electro-magnetic waves.

I believe this was the solution the scientist in The Legend of Hell House divises to clear the evil haunted mansion of its resident ghoul.

We can all see how he ended up...

[Elok]

Wow. That says absolutely nothing about anything. Honestly, UR, I'm not saying ghosts exist, but that's a really flimsy article. People associate (coldness, etc.) with ghosts. People claim haunted feelings in (cold, etc.) areas. Therefore it's just their imagination. WTF?
I think any scientific investigation of spiritual phenomena will tend towards this kind of ridiculousness, just because of the sheer number of unknown quantities involved. The more grand and sweeping the belief, the more absurd the investigation can get. Did anybody here read the story about a year and a half ago, where the scientist zapped people's brains with magnets to make them feel like they were talking to god, then held it up as proof that god didn't exist? That was really sad.

[Angelo Scotto]

If you mean the Electro-Weak-Interaction.... Can you explain why the weak nuclear force and em force are considered the same?

Exactly the EW Interaction: They called the resulting force "electro-weak" to underline they're unified in the current model exactly as "electro-magnetism" was chosen to underline the fact that electric and magnetic forces were unified.

They aren't, exactly... at very high energies they behave the same.

Well, it's not just that (obviously IMHO, i'm not such an expert):
At high energies we "see" that they're the same, at ordinary energy we thought they were different just because they "acted on different particles differently"

Ok, it's a bit confused...
let me see if i can find a description of what i mean somewhere...

Hey! someone won a Nobel on this!
The Presentation Speech is probably the best way to express what i mean:

[...]
The theory which is awarded this year's prize, and which was developed in separate works by the prizewinners in the 60's, has extended and deepened our understanding of the weak force by displaying a close relationship to the electromagnetic force: these two forces emerge as different aspects of a unified electroweak interaction. This means e.g. that the electron and the neutrino belong to the same family of particles; the neutrino is the electron's little brother.
[...]

If you're interested the full text is at http://www.nobel.se/physics/laureate...on-speech.html

Coming back to the topic, the point is that the study don't prove that ghosts doesn't exist (and, like templar and obiwan said, such a negative proof is impossible), the true conclusion of the article is that haunted places exist and authors just made hypothesis about causes.
I think it won't make superstitions recede, cause ghost-believers can continue saying that ghosts caused those unusual experience while others will reply that they're caused by environmental cues.
They should try to build an "artificial haunted house" using eviromental effects they observed in haunded sites and try to "fool" mediums in a consistent way. this should show that enviromental cues are really what mediums or other sensitive peoples feels in haunted places.

What about pink unicorns behind the moon?

SO I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS THEM!!!

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
It seems that the best way to destroy undead beings such as ghosts, spectres, and etc is to use high-intensity, high-frequency electro-magnetic waves.

I believe this was the solution the scientist in The Legend of Hell House divises to clear the evil haunted mansion of its resident ghoul.

We can all see how he ended up...

Yeah, everyone knows that only a proton pack will harm ghosts...

[Adagio]

Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist...


I believe in Ghosts (or "trapped Souls" as some would say), but I'm not sure if I want to see proof of their existense... to live with belief, is sometimes more interesting, than to know the fact (e.g. I prefer not to know, what's under the christmas tree, since it's more exiting to guess )