How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??

[GeneralTacticus]

Re: How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??

Originally posted by johncmcleod
How can you fight another country without violating the UN's laws? Are certain types of war legal, such as 'preventive'? Are police actions legal? Pretty much what I'm asking is how can a country fight another one and do it perfectly legally.

War in self-defence is OK, as is war if it has been determined by the UNSC to be necessary for international stability and/or to enforce prior resolutions. Other than that, it's not allowed. Unfortunately, all this has resulted in is states being more creative about what they call 'war'...

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Boddington's
By making a resolution authorising it, as happened quite recently I believe.

Yep, as recently as 1991.

[Solly]

No, 2002.

[Serb]

Re: Re: How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus


War in self-defence is OK, as is war if it has been determined by the UNSC to be necessary for international stability and/or to enforce prior resolutions. Other than that, it's not allowed. Unfortunately, all this has resulted in is states being more creative about what they call 'war'...

Absolutely complete answer.
I only can add this:

http://www.un.org/Overview/Charter/contents.html

Read UN charter people. It explains everything and pay special atention to Chapter VII.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Boddington's
No, 2002.

Sorry but I trust the members of the security council that voted for it's opinion over yours.

[Serb]

Originally posted by elijah
Was there an official declaration of war against Iraq? From US and or UK?

Nah...they don't have balls for this, because they realize that is clear violation of UN charter that makes them criminals. They may call it as they wish, but it's still don't change the fact that this war is clear agression and violation of international laws, because UN charter defines such actions as agression.

[GeneralTacticus]

Has anyone, anywhere, ever officially declared war on anyone since WWII? I don't know of a single case in which it's occurred...

[Solly]

What do you class as serious consequences in the national arena, Mike?

[Serb]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Has anyone, anywhere, ever officially declared war on anyone since WWII? I don't know of a single case in which it's occurred...

Me too, but it doesn't change the fact that all those countries that don not declared their wars officially, but in fact acted as agressors don't had balls for this, because it's clear violation of UN charter.

wtf I just said? Excuse me my English I am a bit drunk right now.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by elijah
I think thats the idea (at least in spirit of the UN). No-one declares war, so peace prevails. Nice idea isnt it? Makes you really get irritated at those who would attempt to justify breaking it.

Was there an official declaration of war against Iraq? From US and or UK?

I think an ultimatum was delivered a few days before the beginning of the operations.

[Serb]

This ultimatum was a complete joke. It's not the same as official declaration of war. With the same success I could make an ultimatum to G.W. Bush and demand that he must leave his office, because I don't like him and because I suspect that he is trying to conquer the world, otherwise I'll start war.
No one gave right to US president to demand regime change in independent countries.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Boddington's
What do you class as serious consequences in the national arena, Mike?

A three match ban and a hefty fine.

[Adalbertus]

This ultimatum was a complete joke.

More precisely, it was an ultimatum of the sort:
You've got 48 hours to leave your country. If you do not comply, we'll attack. If you do, we'll attack anyway.

[johncmcleod]

Was there an official declaration of war against Iraq? From US and or UK?

No, they defined the war as a 'police action'. It didn't bring any security though, that's for sure.

What about all of those commando operations, etc. the US has done in Latin America to put in those dictatorships?

[GeneralTacticus]

Declarations of war were never issued in the course of covert operations like that, basically be definition; if they were accompanied by war, they ceased to be covert. Moreover, a lot of the time installing a dictator was just a matter of sending a big cheque and a few planeloads of arms to the local military and ask them to intervene on their own.