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  • How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??

    How can you fight another country without violating the UN's laws? Are certain types of war legal, such as 'preventive'? Are police actions legal? Pretty much what I'm asking is how can a country fight another one and do it perfectly legally.
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    If the interests of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council are well aligned, any war can be made legal.

    But they rarely agree with each other completely.

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    • #3
      You can fight another country and do it perfectly legally by getting the other country to declare war on you. Of course, the UN might send in peacekeepers if you get too nasty and genocide-happy.
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      • #4
        How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??
        Win.
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        • #5
          Everyone violates its laws (except those sneaky New Zealanders, whom I believe are up to something) but the UN can't do anything about it.
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          • #6
            What I'm asking is what is the legal process for declaring war? Do they draw up a security counsel and vote on it or something? If you declare war on another country is it legal?
            "The first man who, having fenced off a plot of land, thought of saying, 'This is mine' and found people simple enough to believe him was the real founder of civil society. How many crimes, wars, murders, how many miseries and horrors might the human race had been spared by the one who, upon pulling up the stakes or filling in the ditch, had shouted to his fellow men: 'Beware of listening to this imposter; you are lost if you forget the fruits of the earth belong to all and that the earth belongs to no one." - Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              How can you make war without violating the UN's laws??
              Win.

              Yeah, right.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by johncmcleod
                What I'm asking is what is the legal process for declaring war? Do they draw up a security counsel and vote on it or something? If you declare war on another country is it legal?
                I don't think the UN has ever declared a 'pre-emptive' war. IIRC, there were really only 2 times in which the UN formerly declared war against a country: Korea in 1950 and Iraq in 1990. Both wars were declared against the aggressors.

                As I said before, the UN will only declare such war if all 5 permanent members of the UNSC are sufficiently pissed off at selected country(ies). But that scenario is highly unlikely since no country is stupid enough to mess around with all 5 simultaneously.

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                • #9
                  Be a sub-Saharan nation. Then no-one will care.
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                  • #10
                    The UN couldn't even get round to stopping the genocide in Rwanda, I don't recall them doing much about Pol Pot either.
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                    • #11
                      By making a resolution authorising it, as happened quite recently I believe.
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                      • #12
                        Theres is always self defence, war is ok then
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                        • #13
                          Have no natural resources, and attack country with no resources either.

                          Or be a super-power...
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                          • #14
                            How can you make war without violating the UN's laws?

                            Both countries sign an agreement on entering the state of war.

                            --

                            It's beyond my imagination why a decent nation should want to make war. Being attacked is something different, because then entering a war isn't a free choice. (Maybe this is influenced by my definition of "decent nation" )
                            Why doing it the easy way if it is possible to do it complicated?

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                            • #15
                              I think thats the idea (at least in spirit of the UN). No-one declares war, so peace prevails. Nice idea isnt it? Makes you really get irritated at those who would attempt to justify breaking it.

                              Was there an official declaration of war against Iraq? From US and or UK?
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