The U.S. is in a road which can ONLY end in eventual despotism......

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Ned


Vesayan, Once upon a time, the Democrats had Roosevelt and Kennedy, two president who stood strongly for America and strongly for American ideals. The modern Democrat party was built on these two presidencies. But the Democrat party has lost its pro-American idealism and as a result it is increasing losing its base of Roosevelt and Kennedy Democrats.

It would be great if any of the Democrat candidtates were stongly pro-American. But none of them are save for perhaps Lieberman. But, Lieberman will not get the nomination as the party that nominates has moved too far left for him to be their candidate.

I would of voted for Lieberman-but I doubt he'll be the democratic canidate.

[Al B. Sure!]

Ned:

Amazingly, democrats still get votes... the majority of americans are registered democrats even though polls show that most of these registered democrats are too socially conservative to really be democrats.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Ned:

Amazingly, democrats still get votes... the majority of americans are registered democrats even though polls show that most of these registered democrats are too socially conservative to really be democrats.

Albert, I think the Repblicans will continue to expand their base to be more inclusive and will increasingly attract registered votes as the "stigma" of being a Republican becomes passe. Bush's compassionate conservatism is highly attactive as a political philoosphy.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Agathon
Ralph Nader said a few years back that the current Democrats made Nixon look like a Liberal; the funny thing is that he's right. Look back to the early seventies and the think tank revolution (begun to quell the influence of the intellectually free university system which tended to the liberal left). Jesus, Bush and Clinton make Eisenhower look like an enlightened man.

Ag: That's because many of the Democrates in the 70's weren't just socialists but down right communists. With both of those ideologies proven to be sure fire economic losers the far left has either had to get off of the political bus or track back to the center.

Personally, I think it is a good thing that the market place of ideas has removed the losers.

[Nubclear]

In other news, the patriot act 2 gives the government the power to strip an AMERICAN CITIZEN of their citizenship if they are classifed as being part of a terrorist organization. Of course, the definition of a "terrorist organization" is up for the department of homeland secuirty to decide

Also in other news, the Patriot Act (1) gives the government the right to track EVERY MOVE of your life thorugh the "Total Information Awareness" program.

In other news, Indian newspapers have been reporting for quite some time that after Sep11, several Indians were arrested by the government....not charged with anything, and deported back to India where they have several teeth missing, scars they didn't have before, and psychological trauma and show symptoms of major Post-Tramatic Stress Disorder.

In other news, several government organizations, contrary to the Republican stance of "get the government outta the people!!!" ( ) are now part of the Department of Homeland Secuirty effectively putting it under the control of one man.

Also in other news, airports are stopping certain passengers from boarding planes because theyve been blacklisted. Oddly enough, all the passengers denied are democrats

In other news, a man living somewhere was recently sentenced to several months in jail for making a "Burning Bush" comment. He and his collegues deny that he was referring to president Bush, but that didn't stop a baker (!!!) from telling the juge that they were lying

I'm DEFINATELY seeing despotic tendencies in the government nowdays. They are eerily resembling tendencies of my homeland.....

[oedo]

I don´t know whether American people are allowed to read Michael Moore´s Stupid White Men . the way he describes how the Bushies stole the last White House election by just preventing suspected (and partly even innocent) people from voting in Florida, gave me a short overview how America is turning away from democracy. I got really angry when I read this chapter. and I don´t see a reason why Micheal Moore should have lied. a lot of dangerous BS seems to go on in the USA.
I don´t know what the US elite is trying to invent instead: a despotism, a dictatorship, an oligarshy, whatever. at least one should be worried about what the current administration is planning and one should really pay more attention on it.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by oedo
I don´t know whether American people are allowed to read Michael Moore´s Stupid White Men .

From that silly question, I can infer you don't know much about America. Let me proceed to shed some light on the subject.

First off, I don't know where you got the idea that what we read is subject to censorship... I mean, that's just outta left field, man.

the way he describes how the Bushies stole the last White House election by just preventing suspected (and partly even innocent) people from voting in Florida, gave me a short overview how America is turning away from democracy. I got really angry when I read this chapter.

To be honest, I don't like Bush one bit, but he did win the election. Trust an American on this one: the damn election was on TV news for at least 100 hours straight, if not more.

and I don´t see a reason why Micheal Moore should have lied.

Yes, why would Michael Moore lie to us?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jesus H Christ. If I had a dime for every time the sky fell after some teenager spent too much time watching the news instead of going out town and trying to get laid, I'd be sitting up in some high class pad with a lady on my arm (blonde or brunette depending on what day of the week it is)

Yes, why would Michael Moore lie to us?

He's only the Rush Limbaugh of the left. Though I love how a socialist is using capitalist publishing to make money .

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
He's only the Rush Limbaugh of the left. Though I love how a socialist is using capitalist publishing to make money .

Ah yes, because we know all them lefties are just commies at heart...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well Moore basically is .

[Jaguar]

Beware the fat man!!!!!!

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Sandman
I'm thinking in terms of the mystical nationalism, the constant attempts to upset the world order, the militarism, and the semi-democratic government system.

Although since I forgot the enlightened policy towards science and the decent level of social provision, you probably have a point.

Exactly.

Sprayber: "Jesus H Christ. If I had a dime for every time the sky fell"

I don't expect the US to be turned into a nazi style regime where the Führer appears on TV wearing uniform... oh wait a moment ... and the Blockwarts and Gestapo run the show... although Ashcroft seems to like the idea...

No, the real problem is the increasing nationalism and militarism, coupled with an ever more authoritarion view of government, while corruption and cronyism runs rampant. As Sandman said, you can have a semi-authoritarian regime while formally keeping the constitution in place, and that's the way it is heading.

[Q Classic]

you know what? it won't matter in the end even if the us turns into a police state.

why? because odds are that america won't last a thousand years. in a thousand years, america will probably be a chapter in some history text, a nation spoken of in reverent or despised tones, much like rome.

[DinoDoc]

Too much BS.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Ned


Albert, I think the Repblicans will continue to expand their base to be more inclusive and will increasingly attract registered votes as the "stigma" of being a Republican becomes passe. Bush's compassionate conservatism is highly attactive as a political philoosphy.

compassionate conservatism is also an out and out lie. theres nothing compasionate about being convservative.