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What can we tell to these poor guys when they say : You told us not to raise tariff barreers, and you subsidize your agriculture ?
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What can we tell to these poor guys when they say : You told us not to raise tariff barreers, and you subsidize your agriculture ?Statistical anomaly.
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Well its a fantastic reason to do away with agricultural subsidies.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Of course it won't happen. In the US subsidies are used to buy votes and in the EU they are run by the Mafia and the French.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Re: The other side of the mondialization
The same thing that we have said for centuries : STFU we are stronger.Originally posted by DAVOUT
What can we tell to these poor guys
However, I have a question : what is the direct impact of subsidies on the world prices ?"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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It's just another piece of evidence that the entire global trade system needs to be rethought and reorganised. The developed world must drop their subsidies and tariffs so the developing world has access to our large and import hungry markets. Every 1% rise in Africa's level of trade can take 40 million people out of crushing poverty.
Debt relief must continue so debts incurred under totalitarian regimes no longer crush democratic nations.
Trade must be fair as well as free, so people are actually paid wages they can live on and use to invest in their futures instead of just barely making ends meet.Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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Drop the subsidies, I for one do not like the idea of paying for a UK farmers new Land rover or for a Frenchman to clog up Paris with his tractor when instead I can be paying less in Tax and at the same time giving the poorer nations a chance to develop.Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Re: Re: The other side of the mondialization
Subsidies make possible for an uncompetitive producer to remain on the market, therefore increasing the offer and consequently driving the prices lower ... until they give up (or the subsidies are increased).Originally posted by Spiffor
The same thing that we have said for centuries : STFU we are stronger.
However, I have a question : what is the direct impact of subsidies on the world prices ?Statistical anomaly.
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we should just deport africans to the UK so that Bods will be in his own personal hell"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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Re: Re: The other side of the mondialization
Subsidies result in the developed world dumping their produce on the world market at below market rates. Local farmers can't compete with such low prices and so are driven out of business. Problem is, these countries don't have the manufacturing or service industries to soak up the labour. Economic chaos soon follows.Originally posted by Spiffor
The same thing that we have said for centuries : STFU we are stronger.
However, I have a question : what is the direct impact of subsidies on the world prices ?
Example: Europe is the most expensive place on the planet to produce sugar (from sugarbeets). However, European sugar is cheaper than locally produces sugar because it's so heavily subsidised. We EU consumers get double screwed because of the taxes we pay to support the CAP and then the prices we pay because of the minimum sale value that's part of the CAP. It would be cheaper to import sugar except agricultural tariffs prevent that.
So instead of having cheap sugar that's providing an income to a developing world farmer and his family, we have expensive sugar and the third world gets dumped on (pun intentional).
Make Trade Free and Fair!
Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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He's already in Wales.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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I second MRT's suggestion
Davout :
Maybe there could be an arrangement that doesn't destroy European agriculture (and peasants). Something along the line of helping only family farms or something, since they have little impact on worldwide production, unlike the massive agro complexes (which still get subsidies
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"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Ironicaly most people in europe who say they want fair trade would not want to stop giving the French farmers their handoutsSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Most people in Europe? I think only the French farmers would be against that.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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Most people who run europeSpace is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Well... the French are certainly one of the two most influential EU countries and their farmers do routinely hold their government hostage but I think if everyone else could work out a way to **** them over they would do it.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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